PEOPLE WHO BELEIVE IN GOD !!!

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Johnny,

i have been disproving all of your arguments one after another but you dont stop quoting false info from the cheap propaganda sites .even the ignorance should have its limits.i will disprove your last attempt as i did to others then i will ignore these lies because i lost my respect in you.


one LAST time i will prove your ignorance and i am done with you.what language was Jesus speaking? Aramaic right? yes yes the language of my student Immanuel who is an Assyrian Christian whose mother languge Aramaic.

here is the Aramaic Lexicon and Concordance.can you please write there " GOD " and click on the search button ?

www.atour.com/dictionary/

ooops! what you have found? are you ashamed to share with us? i help you;

Word: hl0
Lexeme: 0hl0
Root: hl0
Word Number: 904
Meaning: God
Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH
(Western) AaLoH
Part of Speech: Noun
Gender: Masculine
Person:
Number: Singular
State: Absolute
Tense:
Form:
Suffix Gender:
Suffix Person:
Suffix Number: Singular
Lexeme Form:


oh maybe Aramaic is not a language of the Bible?

www.bible.gen.nz/amos/language/languages.htm



oh maybe Aramaic and Arabic have nothing to do with Hebrew?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

Semitic languages are attested in written form from a very early date, with texts in Eblaite and Akkadian appearing from around the middle of the third millennium BC, written in a script adapted from Sumerian cuneiform. The other scripts used to write Semitic languages are alphabetic. Among them are the Ugaritic, Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Arabic, South Arabian, and Ge'ez alphabets.




how about a The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon ? check if it means oak or GOD


www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/elahh-aramaic.html


are you ashamed to share with us? i help you;


Strong's Number: 0426
Original Word Word Origin
hhla (in Arabic and Hebrew they write from right to left) corresponding to (0433)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
'elahh (Aramaic) TWOT - 2576
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
el-aw' Noun Masculine

Definition
god, God
god, heathen deity
God (of Israel)


King James Word Usage - Total: 95
God 79, god 16


so ignorance really shoud have its limits,right Johnny?



i told you that even ignorance should have its limits because when it is out of borders then it is not called ignorance but evil.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Allah (Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] ( listen)) is the standard Arabic name for God.[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabs of all Abrahamic faiths, including Mizrahi Jews, Bahá'ís, Eastern Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholic Christians, in reference to God.[1][2][3] Literally, Allah is Arabic for God. Allah is the same God that the Jews call Yahweh and the God that Christians call God the Father.





" Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-ʼAb ( الله الأب, "God the Father") to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage"


in Aramaic

Phrases and Common Sayings:

ALAAHAA REKHMAANEL'E - - - - God is merciful
BE KHDETA - - - - on the word of the bible
YA ALAAH - - - - Oh God
ALAAHAA MINAAKH (F) / MINOOKH (M) - - - - God be with you
MINOOKH MOODAAL'E (M) / MINAAKH MOODAAL'E (F) - - - - with you also (the response)
ALAAHAA NAADIRAAKH (F) / NAADIROOKH (M) - - - - God keep you in well being
ALAAHAA MAANIKHL'E (M) / MAANIKHLAA (F) - - - - God rest his (M) / her (F)
soul (What you say to someone when someone they love dies.)
ALAAHAA BAARIKHLAAKH (F) / BAARIKHLOOKH (M) - - - - God bless you
SHIMAA D ALAAHAA - - - - in the name of God
SHQEER'E D ALAAHAA - - - - thanks to God


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so what we have in our hand?


1- in Arabic ALLAH means GOD

2- in Aramaic AALAH means GOD

3- in Hebrew ALHH means GOD

4- in King James this word is translated 95 times

5- Aramaic,Hebrew and Arabic are members of the semitic language family with same roots

6- even before Islam and today Christian Arabs still call GOD as ALLAH.and in their Bible there is no god word but ALLAH

7- but if you are saying that even though Hebrew,Aramaic and Arabic are the members of the semitic language family,even though in Hebrew "ALHH" and in Aramaic "AALAH" means GOD and they are translated to GOD from Bible 95 times as "GOD" , but ALLAH in Arabic has nothing to do with them then i have nothing to say


FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO EDUCATE YOU FOR I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU PERSONAL EDUCATION FOR FREE.

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Johnny,

do you think that i will give you a free education for each of your lie while your face does not even get red from the lies that you posted which are disproven by me? have you ever heard of such thing that is called "SHAME"?

[Johnny Edwards]

Supposedly the paganism influences run very deep in Islam too.

[Johnny Edwards]

Cause your a scholar on language right Engin. Matter of fact I know a couple people that are linguist. Allah was not originally meant to be God. Maybe you really need to do a little more research you haven't disproved anything just posted more links like usual.

[Johnny Edwards]

www.answer-islam.org/ElahhisntAllah2.html

[Johnny Edwards]

regardless of what you pick an choose to believe the fact remains the same that I can find just as much paganism influence in Islam as I can Christianity or even Judaism for that matter. If thats how you choose to look at something. I will quit discussing with you now Engin.

Right back where we started. I will believe what I believe an you believe what you believe.

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Johnny,

is ALHH (in Hebrew) and AALAH (in Aramaic) in the Bible or not? King James translated 96 times but if Johnny says no then no do ALHH and AALAH mean GOD or not? both Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicons say yes but if Johnny says no then no Christians even before Islam and still today call GOD "ALLAH"? yes but if Johnny says no then no

because Johnny found these infos on cheap web sites


have a great life Johnny !

[Johnny Edwards]

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Nov 3, 2010 14:50:42 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

www.answer-islam.org/ElahhisntAllah2.html

Johnny,come on man.i show you proves from none Islamic lexicons such as Hebrew KJV dictionary,Bible web sites and you show me sources from cheap anti Islamic web sites.and you think that you are doing the same thing.

please Johnny,please

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Nov 3, 2010 14:52:16 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

I will quit discussing with you now Engin.

Right back where we started. I will believe what I believe an you believe what you believe.

i agree

[Johnny Edwards]

check the links im done posting. Type till your fingers fall off. You personally can't prove to me whether the word is or is not. Because me or you are not linguist we both base our thoughts off of what someone else did. I'll leave it at that.

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Nov 3, 2010 14:25:52 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Ahh but it does Engin. Does not your religion teach that lucifer was once an angel who rebelled against God? Zoroaster said the same thing but before my or your book were ever written........... you gotta be blind to not see the similarities.

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Johnny,

i just can not stop finding the holes in your posts and the ignorance is the reason to cause these holes.if you knew more then you would not follow these ignorant people and quote everything you read without knowing more.

according to Quran GOD has sent a Messenger to every nation amongst their brothers;


35.24. Verily, We have sent thee with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner: for there never was any community but a warner has [lived and] passed away in its midst.


i have chatted with the American Indians in USA.i do not know if they all believe the same or not.but they told me that there is a Creator who will punish the evil deeds on the judgement day.

so same message came to each nation but not survived at its origin.even if you tell something to someone,then he tells to another and so on.after sometime what you said at the beginning may come a different message with some of the origin.


who knows maybe even Buddha was a messenger but became someone else same as the Holy Messenger of GOD became another god.


even the origin of Zoroaster religion (which was the religion of the Pers before Islam) teaches 1 and ONLY GOD.they also believe the competetion of GOD and satan,they also believe in judgement day.

so in short he possibly was a Prophet of GOD and brought GOD's message which was corrupted later on.

if Quran says that there has been sent messengers to each nation then why is surprising to see the similar message?

btw for your information,Lucifer is not mentioned in Quran.it is the Latin name of Satan before he became evil.

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Nov 3, 2010 14:30:06 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Mohammed said he was not given power to perform miracle only inspiration to recite the Quran to his people. Despite the fact that he kept on calling it a book in his Quran it was never one until after the death of Mohammed when at the battle of Yakama where the Muslim suffered a great casualties that almost wipe out the Quran recitals when Othman the then Caliph commissioned Zaid to collate all the recitals into a book now known as the Quran. But this was not without burning several versions that were equally authoritative and used in different part of the Arabian Peninsular, thereby destroying any evidence of confirming the authenticity of the present Quran now being paraded as word to word from the mount of Mohammed a deceits that has reign for 14 centuries.
Interestingly this was not the case with the Bible in fact the four Gospels writings most of which were authored by the direct disciples of Jesus Christ were canonised and included in the Bible as scriptures which the Apostles and Earlier believers believed best accounted for the life and message of Jesus. These pool of witnesses no doubt gave credence to the Gospel narratives than the so called Glorious Quran which was not more than oral traditions passed from one person to another and collected into a book without any other witness or evidence that what one person-Othman considered as authentic was actually authentic since he burnt up the remaining versions.
We know that no rational being would accept a bunch of recitals passing from one brain to another brain as authoritative as against the written document from the beginning. Mohammed himself said the Quran escape faster than the run away Carmel which necessitated the abrogation verse in Q2:106 . Mohammed had earlier claimed that his Lord introduced himself as the one that taught men by the pen in his initial encounter with the spirit that tormented him but through out the 23 years of his ministry of memorisation and fighting the infidels his Lord never taught him by the pen. What a delusion!
Where then lies the miracle of the Quran?

1.The miracle is not in the historical accuracy of its account of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, since it contradicted these scriptures in no uncertain terms.
2.The miracle is not in the scientific revelation since most of the scientific statements are found to be wrong , like the earth is flat, the sun set in pool of murky water, as discovered by Alexandra the Great and those that appear scientific were already discovered before Islam.
3.The miracle is not in the accurate prediction of the future as a prophetic book since it contain no prophecy and the few statements that look like predictions where either written after the facts or found to be false.
4.The miracle is not in the beauty and poetic eloquence of the language of the recitals since poet before and after Islam did even better. The Psalms in the Bible is an example of a master piece of a poetic book if you must know.
5.The miracle is not in the new revelation since there was nothing new in the Quran. The Fighting, Terrorism, Polygamy, pagan prostration in prayers, pilgrimage to kaaba, veneration of blackstone, Ramadan fast, Circumbulation of kaaba, Zakat tax, Allah ,moon crescent symbol where all part of the culture of Arabs before Islam.
6.The miracle is not in the persuasive preaching since there was no new message to preach except pagan ritual religious practices, hatred, warmongering and terrorism which is as old as man.

i have missed this one.you added some offenses against my belief such as terrorism etc.so needs to be answered as well;

itis obvious that you copied and quoted every single word above as you do not have potential to add anything from your own to this lies but just repeat as a parrot.the so called historical information that you posted above the Quran is absolutely untrue.thousands of Quran recitals were killed huh? people who lived by the Prophet all those years and continued to practice Islam for all those years after his death, were in confusion about the Quran huh?

Johnny,

you read things but do not use your mind to separate the false from the truth.Prophet Muhammad ruled his nation with GOD's law for 23 years,then the Khalifas kept ruling the nation with the same law but yet you believe that there was a confussion about the Quran?

Jesus was not a ruler,he did not rule his followers with GOD's law or something.even the testimonies that were written are different than eachother.in your quote it is written that most of 4 gospels were written by Jesus' direct followers . none of them are written by direct followers but named that way.and Othman was a follower of the living Prophet same as the other recitals who had memorised Quran BY DIRECT HEARING FROM THE PROPHET.







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the real terrorism can be found in such verses of the Bible;


RAPE IN BIBLE;

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.


SO 3.000 B.C. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THEY DETERMINED IF A GIRL IS VIRGIN OR NOT?


you are bringing the subject into a different thing and just quote ever single verse in Quran and i will quote the verses from Bible and then let us see what will happen.

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Nov 3, 2010 14:33:25 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Black stones was worship and reverence as a god among the pantheons of Mecca before Islam

i help you again.


Narrated Ibn Abbas: When Allah's Apostle arrived in Mecca, he refused to enter the Ka'ba while there were idols in it. So he ordered that they be taken out. The pictures of the (Prophets) Abraham and Ishmael, holding arrows of divination in their hands, were carried out. The Prophet said, "May Allah ruin them (i.e. the infidels) for they knew very well that they (i.e. Abraham and Ishmael) never drew lots by these (divination arrows). Then the Prophet entered the Ka'ba and said. "Allahu Akbar (GOD IS GREATEST)" in all its directions and came out and not offer any prayer therein.


WHAT DI PROPHET DO TO THESE PEOPLE? HE JOINED THEM IN IDOL WORSHIPPING OR FOUGHT AGAINST THEM AND THEIR IDOL WORSHIPPING BELIEF? LITTLE BIT OF HONESTY WILL FIX YOUR PROBLEM.

JUST BECAUSE THE PAGANS MADE KAABA AS AN IDOL WORSHIPPING PLACE IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WAS NOT BUILT BY ABRAHAM AND HIS SON.

WHAT PROPHET DID WAS TO CLEAN THE IDOLS FROM THE PLACE THAT ABRAHAM BUILT.

IT WAS SIMILAR TO JESUS' REACTION TO PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING BUSINESS IN GOD'S PLACE.

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Nov 3, 2010 14:34:11 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Allah was one of gods worships in Mecca before Mohammed wrapped it in the image of Yahweh the God of the Jews and Christians. This is from the testimony of the Quran and Hadiths

ALLAH has always been the name of the GOD almighty.in Hebrew ALHH,in Aramaic AALAH and in Arabic ALLAH.

that is why over here Christians still pray to HIM as calling HIM "ALLAH".


Johnny, you call HIM GOD,right? you can be sure that HE was called ALLAH by Jews and Christians before HE has ever been called GOD by you western people;


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Allah (Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] ( listen)) is the standard Arabic name for God.[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabs of all Abrahamic faiths, including Mizrahi Jews, Bahá'ís, Eastern Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholic Christians, in reference to God.[1][2][3] Literally, Allah is Arabic for God. Allah is the same God that the Jews call Yahweh and the God that Christians call God the Father.

Nov 3, 2010 14:43:27 GMT -5 Johnny Edwards said:

Cause your a scholar on language right Engin. Matter of fact I know a couple people that are linguist. Allah was not originally meant to be God. Maybe you really need to do a little more research you haven't disproved anything just posted more links like usual.

why is that? because your propaganda site says so?

did you check the meaning of GOD in the Aramaic and Hebrew lexicons?

what answer did you get?

those lexicons were Islamic sites?

so you plan to use GOD giving mind?