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Post by Tommy Russell on Jul 5, 2011 9:28:32 GMT -5
this is a never ending moan and groan fest. I'M OVER IT!!! first of all let me say this national titles mean NOTHING!!!! when it comes to rankings, unless you beat somebody above you to get that title. case in point Jerry Avants wins AAA nationals last year and I can't name one person he beat to win that title. CAN YOU? ANYBODY? no disrespect to any National Champions but until there is only one,and you CANNOT win a national title with 3 in your class, they will hold very little sway IMO. I dont care how many on the list are not national champions because they have ALL beat National Champions. second, Tom Nelson beat Tim Bresnan at UAL KOTH and just got DESTROYED by Don Underwood who Tim seemed to beat with ease in their last supermatch. STYLES MAKE MATCHUPS and there are a million things that can attibute to a win. (set up, ref, fouls, sick, my dog ate my homework yaddayadda) so unless its head to head this will not help rankings Further more if someone pulls twice a year and not at all in this region why would they be added to the list ,to say nobody on that list could beat Jim Bryan is a little funed especially when none of them have pulled. lastly I will never understand why people pretend to care nothing about rankings and constantly complain when people put them togather, it doesnt matter how many variations of the rankings we were to post when its all said and done NO MATTER WHAT somebody is gonna complain EVERY SINGLE TIME, I dont know why we bother, its why Johnny gave up, its why the ITH rankings use a million different reasons to rank one guy over the next "well he has only beat him once" we damn I guess we need to start keeping record and the only way to pass someone will be to beat him more times than he has beat you this is a very simple fix, FIND the person who you think has your spot and pull him, if not then there is no arguement, or pull enough that you eventually run into people in front of you and knock them off. Frankly sick of the I understand we have a large region and not everyone pulls each other but that doesnt mean we should just make it up as we go along based on two other guys matches, In Giles Sr case if he has beaten someone recently that he should be in front (exp Chris Heath) of then a move is due, otherwise I'm not about to try and guess at this point in the game, you dont get brownie points for beating someone who is not in the region because then we are back to ranking by opinion and I will not participate for the time being Doug Casto is inactive for the region unless he has pulled inside it, or somebody from it in the last 6 months. If he has pulled in the region who has he beat and thats the spot he should take All that from someone that's ranked way to high, of course your happy with the rankings. Keep up the good work
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Post by David Owens on Jul 5, 2011 10:25:33 GMT -5
lol thats funny crap, I'm ranked way too high and have beaten people belowe me but you have beaten NOBODY in the top 13 and wanna cry because you are number 14, I lost to Cobra Rhodes who I gave one of the best matches he had at UAL and Ron Klemba and they placed .....1st and 2nd, I lost to Junior Andrews who is a bad ass and neither of our matches were easy next time it will go to the strap and he will lose if I am eing honest. I also recall giving Anthony Snook a better pull than anyone else gave him with exception of Giles Jr. at the quest where he had his little warm up match with you. Take me off the damn list all togather I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West.
Giles I did watch arm tv and if they werent active when we did the initial ranking or were pulling 242 or heavies they would not have been ranked in the 220s, I voted Andrew Casto number 2 behind James R and he still ended up at like 7 or 8 I cant help if others did not pay closer attention, I never heard a word about Doug until now and its too late to guess, PS I dont think many on the supers list right now could beat Paul Walther but he is where he is because he did get beat, I dont think it will hold but its the facts
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Post by TK on Jul 5, 2011 11:05:59 GMT -5
I don't pretend not to care. I got turned off in the beginning because, for the most part yall were way biased towards your locals when u did the initial rankings. Some of you have hardly ever pulled outside your area. Not trying to moan and groan, I just think if you're gonna do rankings, you should at least watch arm tv and/or pay attention to what guys are doing around the US. At least have some sort of national perspective. No sh!t, there are 3 nat'ls and some are harder than others. But if they are so easy to win, why haven't any of the top 5 won one yet? Dave are you telling me that you think any of these top 10 could beat Paul Walther or Jim Bryan? If so, then I'm saying you're clueless. Sorry. What if Casto beat Breznk? Marcio? Tom Nelson? Would he still need to "hunt down" Stump and Kurt Vickers??? LMAO! first off we only rank a person in one class, we are currently working on an overall style ranking for the best of the best. but Giles, in all fairness we aren't ranking the whole country, we're only ranking our Region. in the hook proudly ranks the North America.....we are aware that some guys don't CARE about our region and only pull nationally. we are in the 7th month of this, and we are finally getting the hang of it all. as for Doug congrats on a great tourney, but as i've heard about AAA's the classes were not deep, and He hasn't pulled regionally in a while. I was outvoted on the opinion type ranking, in which you are in favor of as well.....it it set up for WHO BEATS WHO.... with that said.....Doug hasn't beat anyone ahead of him, to move to a #1 spot. KURT VICKERS / KARL STANLEY / STUMP BURTON / JOHN WILSON / TIM MCPHERSON...THESE GUYS SHOWED UP AT REGIONALS WHERE THEY KNEW THE RANKINGS WOULD BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED AND GOT THE RANKINGS THEY DESERVE. AND UNTIL SOMEONE SCORES A WIN ON THESE GUYS, IT IS WHAT IT IS. DOUG CAN BE RANKED AHEAD OF JIM IN THE "IN THE HOOK" RANKINGS. WE'VE TRIED TO IMPROVE ON ANDREWS SPOT, HE MOVED FROM LIKE # 8 ALL THE WAY TO # 3 WITHOUT BEATING ANYONE AHEAD OF HIM....WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AMAZING....BUT THE ORIGINAL VOTES WAS BASED ON 3 DIFF OPINIONS, WE ARE NOW UP TO 10 PEOPLE STRONG AND ANDREW BEING # 3 IS A GREAT SPOT. I'D LOVE TO HAVE 2 MORE VA & ARK.....AND THEN MAYBE AN INDEPENENT FOR TIE-BREAKER VOTES..... BUT I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIX, WE'LL TRY.....BUT IF IT'S JUMPING PEOPLE OVER OTHERS WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEATING THEM I CAN'T HELP THERE. AND ALSO KEEP US INFORMED OF ACTIVITY OF PULLERS, COS' WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET. THANKS, T/K
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Post by jamesretarides on Jul 5, 2011 11:14:45 GMT -5
I didn't have time to go over all of this but... Giles is right about his dad. IF HE DOES NOT SEPARATE FROM HIS ARM he is one of the toughest and strongest I have felt at 220. He should be higher on the list for sure. Giles is somewhat right about Doug. While I disagree that Jim Bryan would beat all of the guys on the 220 list (pulled a bit with him before too) I do think Doug should debut somewhere in the top 3. I doubt anyone at 220 in the southeast could beat Doug inside. <---- a little fuel for guys like Stump and big Giles
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Post by TK on Jul 5, 2011 11:18:31 GMT -5
lol thats funny crap, I'm ranked way too high and have beaten people belowe me but you have beaten NOBODY in the top 13 and wanna cry because you are number 14, I lost to Cobra Rhodes who I gave one of the best matches he had at UAL and Ron Klemba and they placed .....1st and 2nd, I lost to Junior Andrews who is a bad ass and neither of our matches were easy next time it will go to the strap and he will lose if I am eing honest. I also recall giving Anthony Snook a better pull than anyone else gave him with exception of Giles Jr. at the quest where he had his little warm up match with you. Take me off the damn list all togather I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West. Giles I did watch arm tv and if they werent active when we did the initial ranking or were pulling 242 or heavies they would not have been ranked in the 220s, I voted Andrew Casto number 2 behind James R and he still ended up at like 7 or 8 I cant help if others did not pay closer attention, I never heard a word about Doug until now and its too late to guess, PS I dont think many on the supers list right now could beat Paul Walther but he is where he is because he did get beat, I dont think it will hold but its the facts I don't think you have to defend yourself, you beat a ranked guy....you moved up....simple. you can't sit at home and jump up in the rankings....lol there was one guy who beat Paul...lol...FL Boy! TK
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Post by jamesretarides on Jul 5, 2011 11:21:42 GMT -5
That is very true. IF PAUL SETS UP RIGHT (GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) he is capable of beating ANYONE in the southeast.
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Post by TK on Jul 5, 2011 11:23:47 GMT -5
I didn't have time to go over all of this but... Giles is right about his dad. IF HE DOES NOT SEPARATE FROM HIS ARM he is one of the toughest and strongest I have felt at 220. He should be higher on the list for sure. Giles is somewhat right about Doug. While I disagree that Jim Bryan would beat all of the guys on the 220 list (pulled a bit with him before too) I do think Doug should debut somewhere in the top 3. I doubt anyone at 220 in the southeast could beat Doug inside. <---- a little fuel for guys like Stump and big Giles but to debut over guys who are regional available pullers? with the who beat who rule kinda goes in the toilet, cos' # 3 gets booted to #4 without a loss...... Giles Sr placement has been based on what he's done in 2011, by placings. if someone can show somewhere in 2011 where he's placed ahead of these guys i'd love to make a proposal. just heard about Heath's right arm, we can remove him. TK
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Post by jamesretarides on Jul 5, 2011 11:27:36 GMT -5
I don't disagree. That is the principle reason why someone will always be unhappy with the rankings. There are guys that would clearly be ranked very high that don't compete in the southeast. If they get placed above guys that do then the people they bump get upset. It is a no-win, but at least someone is trying.
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Post by TK on Jul 5, 2011 11:28:43 GMT -5
That is very true. IF PAUL SETS UP RIGHT (GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) he is capable of beating ANYONE in the southeast. prove it...Battle of the Giants 2012 242+ Soul Survivor! TK
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Post by Gary Kessler on Jul 5, 2011 12:02:35 GMT -5
I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West. Easy David Words do hurt LOL Are you going to make it to the Dave Patton Classic on July 16th ? We would like to have you and the rest of your team there. It will be a great 176lbs class... Maybe the toughest of the year...
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Post by Tommy Russell on Jul 5, 2011 12:08:21 GMT -5
lol thats funny crap, I'm ranked way too high and have beaten people belowe me but you have beaten NOBODY in the top 13 and wanna cry because you are number 14, I lost to Cobra Rhodes who I gave one of the best matches he had at UAL and Ron Klemba and they placed .....1st and 2nd, I lost to Junior Andrews who is a bad ass and neither of our matches were easy next time it will go to the strap and he will lose if I am eing honest. I also recall giving Anthony Snook a better pull than anyone else gave him with exception of Giles Jr. at the quest where he had his little warm up match with you. Take me off the damn list all togather I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West. Giles I did watch arm tv and if they werent active when we did the initial ranking or were pulling 242 or heavies they would not have been ranked in the 220s, I voted Andrew Casto number 2 behind James R and he still ended up at like 7 or 8 I cant help if others did not pay closer attention, I never heard a word about Doug until now and its too late to guess, PS I dont think many on the supers list right now could beat Paul Walther but he is where he is because he did get beat, I dont think it will hold but its the facts I didn't almost beat Snook, I did beat him and knocked him out of placing at the nationals. You've almost beat alot of people so you should be ranked so high and you did great at the quest, you had a war with G.Kessler and got flashed by Blevins. I never cryed about sh*t, I said take me off because I'll never pull half the mf'ers on the list. Your arm is weak, you are a finger wrestler and you will be exposed if we ever cross paths.
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Post by David Owens on Jul 5, 2011 12:46:18 GMT -5
lol thats funny crap, I'm ranked way too high and have beaten people belowe me but you have beaten NOBODY in the top 13 and wanna cry because you are number 14, I lost to Cobra Rhodes who I gave one of the best matches he had at UAL and Ron Klemba and they placed .....1st and 2nd, I lost to Junior Andrews who is a bad ass and neither of our matches were easy next time it will go to the strap and he will lose if I am eing honest. I also recall giving Anthony Snook a better pull than anyone else gave him with exception of Giles Jr. at the quest where he had his little warm up match with you. Take me off the damn list all togather I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West. Giles I did watch arm tv and if they werent active when we did the initial ranking or were pulling 242 or heavies they would not have been ranked in the 220s, I voted Andrew Casto number 2 behind James R and he still ended up at like 7 or 8 I cant help if others did not pay closer attention, I never heard a word about Doug until now and its too late to guess, PS I dont think many on the supers list right now could beat Paul Walther but he is where he is because he did get beat, I dont think it will hold but its the facts I didn't almost beat Snook, I did beat him and knocked him out of placing at the nationals. You've almost beat alot of people so you should be ranked so high and you did great at the quest, you had a war with G.Kessler and got flashed by Blevins. I never cryed about sh*t, I said take me off because I'll never pull half the mf'ers on the list. Your arm is weak, you are a finger wrestler and you will be exposed if we ever cross paths. lets be real G.Kessler pulled me with a strait arm for 40 seconds and should have been fouled for being in an armbreak position and was not and even after that BS I still ran through the class with exception of snook and blevins who deadloaded me and got a great start You cannot beat me Tommy, you cannot turn me into a hook, you cannot beat me going sideways, I'm a finger wrestler whats that, now you wanna change the rules so they work for your strong points, guess what Mike West is a better hooker than you will ever be and I flashed him.......twice. When we cross paths you will still be in the same place you are now.....belowe me!!!!!
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Post by David Owens on Jul 5, 2011 12:54:50 GMT -5
I dont care will not change that none of those people are beating me and the ones above me are on a clock that is counting down to when I see them and do the same thing I did with G.Kessler,J.Fortenberri,J.Kessler,J.Trumbower, R.Comerdale and the majority of anyone else I have pulled including world champion Mike West. Easy David Words do hurt LOL Are you going to make it to the Dave Patton Classic on July 16th ? We would like to have you and the rest of your team there. It will be a great 176lbs class... Maybe the toughest of the year... no I will not be there I will be at the Unified Nationals in august though anyone who wants me can find me there, not sure why my name was added to the list but it is incorrect. as much Travis wants to pretend his tournaments are the greatest ever ,there are 8 tournaments going on that day because our people in our sport dont give a damn about one another. they will all have competetion some better than others but none of them will top the either the 165 or the 187 class at UAL.
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Post by Gary Kessler on Jul 5, 2011 13:00:24 GMT -5
David, I let you win... True Story...
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Post by Tommy Russell on Jul 5, 2011 13:29:29 GMT -5
I didn't almost beat Snook, I did beat him and knocked him out of placing at the nationals. You've almost beat alot of people so you should be ranked so high and you did great at the quest, you had a war with G.Kessler and got flashed by Blevins. I never cryed about sh*t, I said take me off because I'll never pull half the mf'ers on the list. Your arm is weak, you are a finger wrestler and you will be exposed if we ever cross paths. lets be real G.Kessler pulled me with a strait arm for 40 seconds and should have been fouled for being in an armbreak position and was not and even after that BS I still ran through the class with exception of snook and blevins who deadloaded me and got a great start You cannot beat me Tommy, you cannot turn me into a hook, you cannot beat me going sideways, I'm a finger wrestler whats that, now you wanna change the rules so they work for your strong points, guess what Mike West is a better hooker than you will ever be and I flashed him.......twice. When we cross paths you will still be in the same place you are now.....belowe me!!!!! Now your talkin out your ass because Mike West out weighs me by twenty pds and I still had him pretty close to a pin, in a hook. So you keep telling yourself that you can beat me because as long as you believe it thats all that matters. You are the man Scorpion and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Your the best finger puller in the 76's. Maybe one day I'll be good enough to where I can hang on to somebody's fingers for dear life because I know how weak my arm is. Your the best!
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