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Post by enginterzi on Feb 16, 2011 15:00:25 GMT -5
Dan,
trust m€ that Muslims' way to pl€as€ GOD is not fighting.th€y ar€ allow€d to fight for th€ir rights.som€ €xtr€m€s but its wrong to g€n€ralis€ about 1,5 billion Muslims on this €arth.
as b€ing a Muslim i can say that th€y h€lp€d thos€ p€opl€ to pl€as€ GOD,trust m€.
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Post by Dan Benoit on Feb 16, 2011 15:16:36 GMT -5
Thanks Engin that was very informative
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Feb 18, 2011 18:11:45 GMT -5
In Kabul 2003/4 I was part of parachute company 3 RCR The Royal Canadian Regiment while deployed our Job was to provide security to our Area of Operation so that our CIMIC teams could provide drinking water VIA the construction of wells, Build school, aid in the security of female children to attend classes, Set up polling stations for the first Democratic ellection which brought in Karzi unfortunately and Provide presence patrols in the nearby rural areas to ensure no Taliban cells were operating in and around our AOO. To be perfectly honest I was scared on a daily basis until I got complacent and I felt everyone their was different then me but people just the same. I really started to feel that the fighting was going to be just with the Americans because of some kind of Hatred for the U.S. I thought the local people who we talked to everyday at their shops police stations, markets, bazars, and farmers feilds were actually pro Canadian. Sergeant Short, 3RCR, was killed when the jeep he was in drove over a landmine outside of Kabul. He was 42 and leaves behind his wife, son and daughter. Cpl Berring finger was also killed. my Best freind was in the VEH behind them and they were members of my Platoon. I was 11C they were 11A we were the next secotion to prove the road and I have never forgot them..Sgt Short was a freind and a leader had put me thro battle school and was a qualifiled master sniper but gave it up so he could lead men. The people we were protecting acted like our freinds were provideing intell on our routes and travell patterns. They died for what? later on in our tour my company was again attact by a suicide bomber who killed Cpl Murphy. I have yet to go back but I have been traing vary hard to get fit enough to be selected if my Battalion should get another rotation..This time Kandahar. Not everyone in the west wants to see muslims go down I wanted to help. But We try to help and they spit in our face. I might be missing the big picture butwhen you live it and the people you know die around you, you start questioning WTF is up with these FNNNN people. And redemption is a hard feeling to get over..Hence 2011 and Yeah I wanna go back...Pro Patria!
MCPL CARNEGIE
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 19, 2011 4:54:45 GMT -5
their country is occupied,not everyone over there welcomes the foreigners,including Turkish soldiers but they do not see us as enemies (even though al-kaeda accuses us being servant to UN).
some of them probably wonders why a general talked about trillions of dollars worth underground richness of Afghanistan.i also did not know that it was one of his concerns..
after communism was collapsed and they needed to create a new enemy... and they did it..
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Feb 19, 2011 8:56:46 GMT -5
In My Opinion Afganistan is all about Drugs and how all The Mullahas and Malaks getting lots of money to ensure the popy seed and grass plants stay safe...Its always about greed and they use the faith of Muslims to fight a religous war.
By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: February 19, 2011 7:56 AM Afghan sweep seizes weapons, drugs
A large-scale military sweep in southern Afghanistan involving Canadian troops has yielded the seizure of massive weapons caches hidden in fields around a tactically crucial region in Kandahar province.
The goal of the five-day operation, planned and led by the Afghan National Army with support from Canada's Royal 22nd Regiment "Van Doos" battle group and an American company, was to find weapons and capture Taliban militants just arriving in the region.
In doing so, the coalition of 2,200 soldiers hopes to take some steam out of an upcoming spring fighting season. The mission is aimed at reducing fighting during the eventual handover of the Panjwaii district to U.S. forces this summer.
Items taken from the region included:
- Three massive weapons caches
- 250 pounds of marijuana
Three unexploded IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and components for assembling bombs.
The operation was supported by six sniper groups, a tank squadron, artillery troops and canine teams.
CBC's Peter Akman, reporting from Kandahar, said the operation was a show of force not seen in the southern part of Afghanistan in a decade.
It was also heralded as a major step towards an independent and self-sufficient Afghan National Army, which engineered the mission and supplied more than a thousand soldiers.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 19, 2011 10:08:22 GMT -5
i think they were doing this to make money also during CCCP-Afghan war when US was supporting Afghans.
my opinion is its wrong to sell "drugs" even to your enemies just to make money to buy weapons.those are prohibited things in our religion.Taliban is an extremist people compared to true of Islam.
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Feb 19, 2011 10:22:06 GMT -5
Giles and Aaron, thank you for supporting us. I have no problem sayin what I think, sorry to ever offend anyone, but please be considerate to everyones idea. Aaron whats this I hear about u bitchin im in the rankings? grow some nads. I like u as a person not an armwrestler. WTF? ? MFER....LISTEN. I tried to give you a vote of confidence and be cool with you and you tell me I ain't got "no Nads"? F*CK YOU!!! OF COURSE I have a problem with you on the rankings.....you DON'T DESERVE TO BE ON THERE. I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE....ON THIS BOARD. NO NADS.....EAT A D*CK YOU PUNK @ss KID! Here it is 4 days later I find this little gem you wrote on the board.....I missed it. I will tell you this. Keep pulling, training hard and all that and you will EARN your spot on the rankings.....NOT NO HOMETOWN giveaways because TK loves you and thinks you deserve to be.....YOU DON'T. Maybe sometime in the future you will, but, not now. I have washed my hands of the rankings, so, who cares, but I'll be d@mned if you think you're gonna run your mouth to me and think you got me in any kind of check. F*cking NEW GUY.....come on this board running your mouth all the time like you're somebody....NOBODY KNOWS YOU....I don't care who you have "almost" beat. Theres guys on this board and on the previous rankings who have multiple, mulptiple wins over good pullers...who travel, have attended Nationals, won Open class tournaments, all while you have placed in a couple Backyard Florida tourneys and got yourself spanked I'm sure by Bill Sinks in Vermont. WOW. Good job. ....and BTW , I noticed you had taken a personal vendetta to attempt to check Mac Telle and act like you got some sh*t to talk. But, guess what? Mac has got a TON MORE CREDIBILITY THAN YOU DO AT THIS POINT. I've seen him all over ARMTV....armwrestling, attending multiple tournaments and doin what he does. I ain't even never seen your goofy face anywhere, except for that SOFT @ss picture you're sportin here on the board. stupid @ss. ......and I still dont know what you mean about liking me as a person and not an armwrestler, you don't know me and I officially don't like you.
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Feb 19, 2011 22:07:18 GMT -5
btw....my previous post before this one was completely off topic from the thread and I apologise for anyone having to read an unfavorable post, but this guy runs his mouth WAAAAAAAY too much as if he invented armwrestling and trash talk. I ain't havin it and I'm not getting accused of having No balls by some punk kid who doesn't even know me. My apologies to everyone else.
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Post by kyledarby on Feb 20, 2011 1:41:54 GMT -5
You can't please everyone, sometimes you gotta call it like you see it.
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Post by Mat Helmer on Feb 20, 2011 12:06:06 GMT -5
entire middle east unstable? i wonder who brought all those dictators as the head of those Arab countries Engin, even your country it part of the "problem". Turkey is on the US payroll too, just like the rest of us. You are part of NATO and as part of NATO, you march to the same drum. All of your jets are from the USA. All of your tanks are from Germany. Most political decisions made by your country (believe it or not) are greatly influenced by Washington. Something else I found interesting... Turkey has 75 million people and Canada has 35 million. Canada is 13 times larger but we spend the exact same amount in Military per each year.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 20, 2011 14:43:02 GMT -5
yes we buy them from these countries,but we are not under dictatorship.we started to produce our military things and just wait a bit more.
1974 US warned us to not enter N.Cyprus but we did and protected our people since then,we did not allow US troops to use our land to enter Iraq in 2003,in last UN voting my country and Brazil voted against US.so these should tell you something if you are really following politics.
with AK Party we now are less dependant and soon you will realise this more and more.
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Post by Trenton Meyer on Feb 20, 2011 16:01:22 GMT -5
Sadly, this is Islam in a nutshell!
Taken from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0.6% Australia -- Muslim 1.5% Canada -- Muslim 1.9% China -- Muslim 1.8% Italy -- Muslim 1.5% Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2% Germany -- Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7% Spain -- Muslim 4% Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
>From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8% Philippines -- 5% Sweden -- Muslim 5% Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10% India -- Muslim 13.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 10% Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
>From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Palestine -- Muslim 99% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey -- Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep!
Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?
Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).
NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.
Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
That should make the US' homeland much safer, huh!! Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?
Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?
Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply: Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia Religiously – no… Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran) Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran. Geographically – no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.. Politically - no…Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34) Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. Can a muslim be a good soldier???
Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!! Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 20, 2011 17:07:49 GMT -5
instead of sold people propagandas maybe real statistics by true numbers? i guess no one over here is ignorant to not to know which countries are Muslim and which countries are Christian..
crime rankings by countries (percentage);
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people # 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people # 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people # 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people # 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people # 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people # 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people # 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people # 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people # 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people # 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people # 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people # 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people # 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people # 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people # 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people # 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people # 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people # 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people # 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people # 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people # 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people # 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people # 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people # 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people # 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people # 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people # 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people # 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people # 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people # 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people # 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people # 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people # 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people # 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people # 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people # 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people # 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people # 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people # 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people # 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people # 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people # 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people # 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people # 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people # 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people # 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people # 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people # 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people # 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people # 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people # 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people # 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people # 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people # 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people # 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people # 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people # 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people # 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people # 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people # 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people # 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 20, 2011 17:15:36 GMT -5
i can not believe that i need to educate every muslim hater who is new on the board,separately...
The Letter of Mohammed, which he granted to the Monks of Mount Sinai, and to Christians in general:
"As God is great and governeth, from whom all the prophets are come, for there remaineth no record of injustice against God; through the gifts that are given unto men, Mohammed, the son of Abdallah, the Apostle of God, and careful guardian of the whole world, has written the present instrument, to all those that are his national people, and of his religion, as a secure and positive promise to be accomplished to the Christian nation and relations of the Nazareen, whosoever they may be, whether they be the noble or the vulgar, the honourable or otherwise, saying thus:
I. Whosoever of my nation shall presume to break my promise and oath which is contained in this present agreement, destroys the promise of God, acts contrary to the oath and will be a resister of the faith (which God forbid!) for he becometh worthy of the curse, whether he be the king himself or a poor man, or what person soever he may be.
II. That whenever any of the monks in his travels shall happen to settle on any mountain, hill, village, or in any other habitable place, on the sea or in deserts, or in any convent, church, or house of prayer, I shall be in the midst of them, as the preserver and protector of them, their goods and effects, with my soul, aid and protection, jointly with all my national people, because they are a part of my own people, and an honour to me.
III. Moreover, I command all officers not to require any poll tax of them or any other tribute, because they shall not be forced or compelled to anything of this kind.
IV. None shall presume to change their judges or governors, but they shall remain in their office without being deposed.
V. No one shall molest them when they are travelling on the road.
VI. Whatever churches they are possessed of, no one is to deprive them of them.
VII. Whosoever shall annul any of these my decrees, let him know positively that he annuls the ordinance of God.
VIII. Moreover, neither their judges, governors, monks, servants, disciples, or any others depending on them, shall pay any poll tax or be molested on that account, because I am their protector, wheresoever they shall be, either by land or sea, east or west, north or south; because both they and all that belong to them are included in this my promissory oath and patent.
IX. And of those that live quietly and solitary upon the mountains, they shall exact neither poll tax nor tithes from their incomes, neither shall any Mussulman partake of what they have, for they labour only to maintain themselves.
X. Whenever the crop of the earth shall be plentiful in its due time, the inhabitants shall be obliged, out of every bushel, to give them a certain measure.
XI. Neither in time of war shall they take them out of their habitation, nor compel them to go to the wars, nor even then shall they require of them any poll-tax.
In these eleven chapters is to be found whatever relates to the monks; as to the remaining seven chapters they direct what relates to every Christian.
XII. Those Christians who are inhabitants, and with their riches and traffic are able to pay the poll-tax, shall pay no more than 12 drachmas.
XIII. Excepting this, nothing more shall be required of them, according to the express word of God, that says: ‘Do not molest those that have a veneration for the Books that are sent from God, but rather, in a kind manner, give of your good things to them, and converse with them, and hinder every one from molesting them.’
XIV. If a Christian woman shall happen to marry a Mussulman, the Mussulman shall not cross the inclination of his wife to keep her from her chapel and prayers and the practice of her religion.*
XV. That no person hinder them from repairing their churches.
XVI. Whosoever acts contrary to this my grant, or gives credit to anything contrary to it, becomes truly an apostate from God and his divine Apostle, because this protection I have granted to them according to this promise.
XVII. No one shall bear arms against them, but, on the contrary, the Mussulmans shall wage war for them.
XVIII. And by this I ordain that none of my nation shall presume to do or act contrary to this promise until the end of the world
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Post by enginterzi on Feb 20, 2011 17:28:52 GMT -5
during the time of Ottoman Empire Jews,Christians and Muslims were under the law of their own religious rules. Jerusalem was divided into 4 quarters; 1- Jews Quarter 2- Armenian Quarter 3- Muslim quarter 4- Christian Quarter www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vie/Jerusalem2.html#four now i am in another city,when i go back to home i will continue as it seems a "need"
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