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Post by tomnelson on Oct 3, 2011 17:57:55 GMT -5
S h i t, bench pressing anything over 135 is hard....my sister in 11th grade did 185....i bench like a b i t c h...
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 3, 2011 18:38:07 GMT -5
S h i t, bench pressing anything over 135 is hard....my sister in 11th grade did 185....i bench like a b i t c h... This I could have fun with......but I'll be nice for now Tom.... ;D
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Oct 3, 2011 19:40:35 GMT -5
These 7 pages sure made my monday morning fun. I just wanna say two things. 1. Shawn Lattimer and Chris Chandler are cool dudes. 2. I'm surprised nobody corrected Johnny and the Irish Quinn about the Andy Hamman video with the claimed 600x4 bench. It's been discussed a lot in internet forums and pretty much everyone acknowledge it's fake. Fake plates or something to that effect. Look at how the bar bends. It's possible I suppose that it could be a couple fake plates but it's over 365 for sure, because of the way it makes the bar bend. That was just an example of the kind of bench pressing I like. No shirt with that form.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 3, 2011 21:50:04 GMT -5
These 7 pages sure made my monday morning fun. I just wanna say two things. 1. Shawn Lattimer and Chris Chandler are cool dudes. 2. I'm surprised nobody corrected Johnny and the Irish Quinn about the Andy Hamman video with the claimed 600x4 bench. It's been discussed a lot in internet forums and pretty much everyone acknowledge it's fake. Fake plates or something to that effect. Look at how the bar bends. It's possible I suppose that it could be a couple fake plates but it's over 365 for sure, because of the way it makes the bar bend. That was just an example of the kind of bench pressing I like. No shirt with that form. The bar barely bends, and a crappy bar will bend just like that with 315. Which is probably what was really on the bar. And I take it you prefer to see people bench incorrectly, overloading their delts, neglecting a large portion of their pecs, and risking severe shoulder trauma? Interesting....
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Post by Jake Smith on Oct 3, 2011 23:00:41 GMT -5
Lost 45 supermatches huh? thats cute. laton, youre a little pu$sy and you wish you had half the talent i have. that being said i can stir any pot i wish. I talk crap with the ability to back it up. Quinn is talking trash on a powerlifter who is legit and is doing legit lifts. Don't get all bent out of shape big boy. I'm just stating facts. Exaggerated? Yes. But facts none the less. Unless I'm wrong you do have a losing record in super matches. If you have caught up it has only been in the last few for sure. I think most on this board will agree that you only got those super match chances because of your mouth. Not because of your ability. You were beaten handily the first two or three. Nothing wrong with losing. I seem to be doing it pretty regularly the last bunch of years. Thanks for reminding me. You were just dogging him for running his mouth when you do the same thing. Just calling you on it. BTW, half the talent huh? I assure you that if I spent a 1/4 of the time, training, pulling, eating right, juicing? (Supplements /Whatever : that you do, I would own you. I have basically done nothing more than pull about once or twice a month for the last 15 years, have no leverage whatsoever on the table and I might still give you a little trouble. You are in the glory years of your career big boy. You better enjoy them while you can. Kids come in and take precedent. I've got 7 years until my son graduates and I'm gonna get real bored real quick. I'll come looking for you in about 8 years. Write it down. Remind me. If you can find time to pull between baseball games and cheerleading competitions. I'm 44 right now. Gonna be funny when a 52 year old man takes you out. Oh wait, Allen Fisher and Ron Klemba already did that! Ouch! hahahaha big deal. i lost to allen fisher and klemba! Top elite pullers and stand up guys. i also have wins on many elite top pullers. you can make all the excuses you want for not training and not being a quality puller but the fact is that your not and you never will be. Quit making excuse for leverage too. Whats next? your v agina itches
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 8:01:44 GMT -5
Shawn, I'm very curious, why was he overloading the shoulders and neglecting part of the pecs?
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 8:39:27 GMT -5
bar position on the body needs to be lower. Benching to the upper chest stretches and strains the deltoids and leads to all sorts of shoulder issues. Bar placement at the bottom of the pecs and arms at an angle less than 90 degrees to the body is most efficient and safest.
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Post by TK on Oct 4, 2011 9:09:42 GMT -5
bar position on the body needs to be lower. Benching to the upper chest stretches and strains the deltoids and leads to all sorts of shoulder issues. Bar placement at the bottom of the pecs and arms at an angle less than 90 degrees to the body is most efficient and safest. IS why i have a hard time benching now, shoulders from improper benching in my younger years....it wasn't till got older and learned form....it was too late then... too much pain when i bench now. TK
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Post by Arturo Garcia on Oct 4, 2011 11:11:17 GMT -5
Shawn: thanks for the clarification, I knew what you just said, just didn't notice Hamman was doing it wrong.
I have another question for you though: what about incline benching? Authors like Bill Starr, who has contributed to strength training since the 60's, specifically say that when Incline Benching you lower the bar close to the chin, touching the collarbones or very close, and the elbows are in fact flared out, not tucked in like a flat bench. Does this lead to shoulder injury as well? Or is it safe to do in the Incline due to different angles, etc.? Just curious.
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Post by TK on Oct 4, 2011 12:09:31 GMT -5
they call this a benchpress? I call it asinine.....I think Im gonna eat my way up to 500lbs so my body will increase in thickness so I dont have to move over 5 inches after they put the block in and put my baby gap sweatshirt on... I JUST WATCHED the video, i'm a little slow on the board...and havent read every post on here...but yeah why even bench press for a record like that, a block and 3 inches of actual movent..why? another reason i'm not a power lifter...i couldn't wear the pretty shirts they like to wear.... lol funny video. i'll read the post now...lol TK
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 12:36:54 GMT -5
Andy Hammaon is a friggin beast and an amazing athlete regardless of what many "think" about him. i dont find it that hard to believe that that is 600 lbs at all. the bar bends as it should in my opinion. ive watched a guy do 635 for reps in my gym in GA ...raw...clean. so this video...while impressive in its own right ...is not "impossible" as so many haters on youtube seem to proclaim. it could be fake...but i doubt it. andy is a professional athlete and spokesperson.....i doubt he has any reason to exagerate. check out some of his other lifts online....hes a freak. let it go.
also i would llike to address the "proper form" debate that has seemed to arise:
proper from may vary depending on what the gaol of the lifeter may be...or what the discipine one is practicing.
1- if the goal of the athlete is to lift as much total weight as possible (powerlifting) then yes Andy's form is not the "most efficient" way to lift as Shawn has already pointed out. therefore making his form "wrong" for powerlifting.
2- if the goal is to target/isolate specific muscles and use a braod range of motion in order to buil shape form and density (bodybuilding) then it would more than likely be said that Andy's form is correct for bodybuilding. or at least more correct than the powerlifting style excercise.
you have to determine the discipline before you can moake a statement that something is "wrong". how many times have armwrestler been approache din the gym and told that you were doing your curls wrong, or that you need to isolate your muscles better?? and if you were a bodybuilder they would have been absolutely correct.
simply put....training for bodybuilding, powerlifting or even armwrestliong for that matter, may look very similar to the untrained (uneducated) eye. but htey are vastly different.
whats amazing about Andy Hammon is that he is a bodybuilder that can lift weight (not just benchpress) that makes alota powerlifters look bad. and he still runs a 4.xx 40 yard at 42 years old.
i tell you one thing that is a universal truth and has no direct relation to this video or even thread:
WANNA GET SOME HATERS?? DO SOMETHING AWESOME.
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Post by Max Moore on Oct 4, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -5
check ou tthe video of magnus samuelson benching 595 for two reps. the bar doesnt even bend as much as the bar andy is using.
ps. also check ou this 308 pound straight bar curl. form is pretty dam good if ya ask me. he is simply having to lean back to keep from falling over but his arms are doing the work. whats even crazier is look at the length of his arms!
BEAST
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 13:10:23 GMT -5
they call this a benchpress? I call it asinine.....I think Im gonna eat my way up to 500lbs so my body will increase in thickness so I dont have to move over 5 inches after they put the block in and put my baby gap sweatshirt on... I JUST WATCHED the video, i'm a little slow on the board...and havent read every post on here...but yeah why even bench press for a record like that, a block and 3 inches of actual movent..why? another reason i'm not a power lifter...i couldn't wear the pretty shirts they like to wear.... lol funny video. i'll read the post now...lol TK Here's the thing------its not a competition bench press, its not a record of any kind, its nothing. Rob's sponsor filmed an exhibition lift and put it out there as a big deal. That is all.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 13:13:54 GMT -5
Andy Hammaon is a friggin beast and an amazing athlete regardless of what many "think" about him. i dont find it that hard to believe that that is 600 lbs at all. the bar bends as it should in my opinion. ive watched a guy do 635 for reps in my gym in GA ...raw...clean. so this video...while impressive in its own right ...is not "impossible" as so many haters on youtube seem to proclaim. it could be fake...but i doubt it. andy is a professional athlete and spokesperson.....i doubt he has any reason to exagerate. check out some of his other lifts online....hes a freak. let it go. also i would llike to address the "proper form" debate that has seemed to arise: proper from may vary depending on what the gaol of the lifeter may be...or what the discipine one is practicing. 1- if the goal of the athlete is to lift as much total weight as possible (powerlifting) then yes Andy's form is not the "most efficient" way to lift as Shawn has already pointed out. therefore making his form "wrong" for powerlifting. 2- if the goal is to target/isolate specific muscles and use a braod range of motion in order to buil shape form and density (bodybuilding) then it would more than likely be said that Andy's form is correct for bodybuilding. or at least more correct than the powerlifting style excercise. you have to determine the discipline before you can moake a statement that something is "wrong". how many times have armwrestler been approache din the gym and told that you were doing your curls wrong, or that you need to isolate your muscles better?? and if you were a bodybuilder they would have been absolutely correct. simply put....training for bodybuilding, powerlifting or even armwrestliong for that matter, may look very similar to the untrained (uneducated) eye. but htey are vastly different. whats amazing about Andy Hammon is that he is a bodybuilder that can lift weight (not just benchpress) that makes alota powerlifters look bad. and he still runs a 4.xx 40 yard at 42 years old. i tell you one thing that is a universal truth and has no direct relation to this video or even thread: WANNA GET SOME HATERS?? DO SOMETHING AWESOME. Nothing against Andy-----and he is a beast, no doubt. But I personally know the vast majority of the biggest strongest bench pressers in the world. The 2 strongest dudes I have ever met can't bench 600 raw like that, and I will guarantee Andy can't either. Otherwise, I agree with you.
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Post by Shawn Lattimer on Oct 4, 2011 13:16:05 GMT -5
Shawn: thanks for the clarification, I knew what you just said, just didn't notice Hamman was doing it wrong. I have another question for you though: what about incline benching? Authors like Bill Starr, who has contributed to strength training since the 60's, specifically say that when Incline Benching you lower the bar close to the chin, touching the collarbones or very close, and the elbows are in fact flared out, not tucked in like a flat bench. Does this lead to shoulder injury as well? Or is it safe to do in the Incline due to different angles, etc.? Just curious. Its actually worse on your shoulders. Fact is that most of the people who tell others how to perform movements have outdated or incorrect knoweldge. I know plenty of people who insist on doing it one way, because their high school football coach told them to.
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