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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jun 11, 2012 22:05:11 GMT -5
Hi John,
The recovery is ongoing, thanks for asking! I won't ever recover from the spinal cord damage, but want to keep what I have left so I can continue a somewhat active lifestyle, which at this time means continuing to walk.
Glad to see you are still armwrestling!
Best regards
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Post by Michael Bluth on Jun 12, 2012 16:56:03 GMT -5
I WILL NOT vote for a mormon. I do not believe core Mormon doctrines are christ centered. I do not see Mormonism as a Christian religion at all!! Good to see there is still so much ignorance surrounding Mormonism and their core beliefs  Check out their original 13 Articles of Faith www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=engBut like John Wilson said, it is a non-issue. Morality, doing what is right as opposed to doing what is wrong, is important. But, faith has nothing to do with how moral or immoral an individual is. You will find all types of men and women in every faith and amongst those that have no faith at all. You can tell no more about a person by their proclaimed faith than you can perceive by what brand of shoes they wear. Oh and it is the "Holy" Qu'ran. Let's keep the bigotry to a minimum |
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Post by kyledarby on Jun 13, 2012 2:57:37 GMT -5
Jimmy Carter by all accounts actually is a Christian. Until three years ago he was the worst President in history. Probably the best Professor quote ever  ;D ;D  |
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Post by kyledarby on Jun 13, 2012 3:23:38 GMT -5
Michael
First off I feel it's important to seperate religion and faith. Though one compliments the other they are two seperate things. Religion is the belief that God exists and serving God whole heartedly. Faith is an emotional belief that God exists and will allow you to recieve his word flawlessly and guide you through trials. Now if one truly is "religious" then they should demonstrate integrity, ethics, and honesty. Though all humans aren't perfect with good intention the goal is not to deviate far from Gods will. So that is why one might have a concern about religious affiliation. I feel it's important for a leader to do what they say rather then promise empty pipe dreams just to gain political favor.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 4:51:01 GMT -5
I will be as "bigoted" as I choose.
Clearly you are the ignorant one to defend mormonism and Islam in the same breath.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 4:53:17 GMT -5
A persons religion is the "operating range" of his morality. This is VERY important to know. Let's keep the ignorance to a minimum please. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 5:02:18 GMT -5
Ones claimed religion will determine The degree of justification for murder.
If a persons religion refuses them to kill a cow. You can pretty much trust your favorite cow will remain unharmed in his presence.
If ones religion permits the murder of a man because of it's "blood atonement doctrine" - written by brigham young..... Then how can you trust that he will not use the authority Obama claims to have and kill whoever whenever he wants to? After all it is his moral obligation.
Romney is/was a high priest in the Mormon church. How do we know which Mormon beliefs he clings to?
Many will claim "only fundamentalist believe the blood atonement doctrine"
If your a high priest... Aren't you required to be a fundamentalist?
If your aren't a fundamentalist in your faith.... You are a farce. You either believe it.. Or you don't.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 5:07:28 GMT -5
If he isn't 100% submitted to the faith he claims then he is a liar and has no moral code to guide and limit his actions against others.
If he is 100% submitted to his faith then I am terrified at the things he might do with obamas perceived powers of judge jury and executioner.
Keep note that Romney has demonstrated a lack of knowledge and understand or blatant disregard of the basic bill of rights of the constitution.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 5:11:54 GMT -5
Many of obamas laws he's tried pushing through congress and some have passed. Leave the authority basically in the hands of the enforcers opinion.
If (hypothetically speaking) the presidents opinion is that Mormonism is the greatest thing for this country and he in his mind determines that following other faiths can be detrimental to national security..... What's to stop him from killing any people of any other faith?
After all it's his moral obligation permited within the operating range of his moral code.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 5:15:03 GMT -5
Ok... Time to get off my soapbox and go to work. Thanks for letting me have my rant.
Ftr.... Those of who read my rant and disagree or don't understand my perspective on this issue... Research the blood atonement doctrine.
If you can't refute my train of logic with sound evidence and would rather emotionally respond with insults.... Go ahead, pucker up and kiss my eberlubin rear end.
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Post by Michael Wells on Jun 13, 2012 5:50:22 GMT -5
Nobody want to see/hear about their faith or religion on a negative tone. Although, as spoken of earlier, religion and faith compliment each other, yet are two different entities. External vs internal, and you can only control (according to moral compass) one of them. With a record that Romney has, is foundation is extremely shaky, and doesn't take a stance on important Constitutional (fundamental) issues....unless for political gain.
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Post by Michael Bluth on Jun 13, 2012 8:22:19 GMT -5
A persons religion is the "operating range" of his morality. This is logically just garbage. One can act within whatever bounds he or she self-imposes. I am not bound by my faith and neither should you or anyone else. What you said goes against everything we know about human nature. For the record, Brigham Young was far off the mark with a lot of the things he said, wrote and did. The Blood Atonement has not been a part of the LDS faith since the 19th century. It sounds as if you have simply researched everything controversial about the LDS faith but never truly inquired about what they currently preach and practice. We can talk about Polygamy, Blacks and the priesthood or anything else the LDS faith has been burned for but they are irrelevant because they are not a part of the LDS doctrine any longer and haven't been for quite some time. And no Romney is not a fundamentalist and neither is the entire LDS body of members. The Fundamentalist LDS Church is a splinter group with a very small following. Keep in mind I do not care for Romney so I do make these remarks to defend him but a good Christ centered faith that has had some very negative attacks by the media and the Southern Baptist Convention. |
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Post by Michael Bluth on Jun 13, 2012 8:25:42 GMT -5
I will be as "bigoted" as I choose. Clearly you are the ignorant one to defend mormonism and Islam in the same breath. Why can I not defend two faiths that have proved to the world time and time again that the overwhelming majority of their congregants are good and moral people but get a bad reputation because of tiny extremist factions past or present? |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 8:51:46 GMT -5
I will be as "bigoted" as I choose. Clearly you are the ignorant one to defend mormonism and Islam in the same breath. Why can I not defend two faiths that have proved to the world time and time again that the overwhelming majority of their congregants are good and moral people but get a bad reputation because of tiny extremist factions past or present? I apologize for my lack of clarity of meaning here. I have no beef with the defending of the worlds perception of any faith or any multitudes of faith. But to defend a faiths "holiness" that is contrary to your own faith is foolishness. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 13, 2012 9:08:06 GMT -5
A persons religion is the "operating range" of his morality. This is logically just garbage. One can act within whatever bounds he or she self-imposes. I am not bound by my faith and neither should you or anyone else. What you said goes against everything we know about human nature. Hypothetical question.... Do you think it's immoral to decapitate infants for entertainment? I assume yes.... It's disgusting. It's against your faith. Some cultures don't have problems with such extreme actions. Because they are not limited by their common morality. |
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