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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 5, 2012 17:07:22 GMT -5
Im going to post official campaign ads from each candidate. You can retract your vote if you wish to after watching the videos.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 5, 2012 17:13:26 GMT -5
Barack Obama
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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 5, 2012 17:15:17 GMT -5
Mitt Romney
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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 5, 2012 17:16:45 GMT -5
Gary Johnson
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Post by Michael Wells on Sept 5, 2012 17:16:52 GMT -5
Simple. They BOTH are bad for this country. Libertarian is the way to geaux
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Post by Ron Bath on Sept 6, 2012 19:48:24 GMT -5
I would vote libertarian, but they won't win (Yet) only help the socialist in office. We need to go to the right more. Why is it acceptable to go left but radical to push right. When did it become radical to be for smaller Govt. lower taxes and self responsibility. Also why did the one who needs $3000 a year for contraceptives, come right before Bill Clinton.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Sept 6, 2012 21:00:05 GMT -5
Libertarians will never win if we keep thinking like that. We MUST change this mindset NOW!!!
We must start teaching people that "a vote is only wasted when you don't vote your conscience"
There is no better time to teach people that than NOW!!
Because both republican and democrat candidates are BOTH FOR ALL THE BAD STUFF.
This election it won't hurt to vote third party. We have nothing to lose but everything to gain.
Let's rally the people to vote for Gary Johnson!!!
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Post by John Byerley on Sept 6, 2012 21:41:26 GMT -5
if it were that simple...and its not.
barack obama poses a direct threat to me my family and my job security. if not for many bills having been blocked by the GOP - i may not even have a job, you never know.
under a GOP/Romney presidency - I and hundreds of thousands in the energy sector will MOST LIKELY be secure under another term. For most people who believe Obama and Romney are "the same" I would venture to guess Obama's policies or attempts at policy changes haven't DIRECTLY effected you or posed a change to your way of life.
Libertarian - I consider myself somewhat of a libertarian minded person. But lets just say I know Joe, and Joe is a standup guy - 100% Libertarian - a patriot at heart. And he wants to run for president. Considering my concerns, and the differences for me my family and millions other I know that would be impacted differently under an Obama vs a Romney presidency, do I vote for Joe or Mitt?
I understand what you are wanting people to believe and/or CHANGE in terms of mentality - but a vote for anyone but Obama/Romney is just a vote on principle.
And its not that simple for me.
And if you and others get enough people on the bandwagon - that 1-2% may sway the election for Obama - and you've accomplished I guess what you wanted - but you need to know an Obama Reelection will be devastating to the Oil, Gas, Hydrogen, Natural Gas, Coal, Jet Fuel, and Diesel industry - the entire energy sector. And when it takes that hit by an unrestrained ideologue then finally his goal of "energy prices necessarily skyrocketing" will be a realization - and that impact will be felt by everyone.
Romney and Obama may be the same to you - but they arent the same to everyone, and for good reason.
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Post by John Byerley on Sept 6, 2012 21:43:44 GMT -5
And I'm only speaking for one SECTOR of society in America that will be greatly impacted directly as a result of liberal, enviromentalist, garbage policies of the Obama administration and congress. What he cant pass through congress he'll do so through executive order. Wait for it.
Theres plenty of other examples of how they will differ in terms of major impacts on current policy - but I know none of those can be of your concern, as to you they are the same.
I'm deeply disappointed that Romney was the best the right could do - but reality is what it is. And if Obama getting reelected causes great concern DIRECTLY to you or your family, then you couldnt vote for Gary either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 22:22:54 GMT -5
The only thing that the Libertarian Party Canidate is doing is Cock Blocking a Right Wing Vote. Lets get on board one side and Vote for ONE, and not 7/8's Romney and 1/8 Johnson...
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Sept 6, 2012 22:54:48 GMT -5
Im voting Romney.
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Post by Bruce Urabe on Sept 7, 2012 5:15:15 GMT -5
nuff said
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 7, 2012 7:02:07 GMT -5
Bill Clinton. Who just three years ago told Ted Kennedy (referring to Obama), "not too long ago this guy would be getting us coffee and carrying our bags."
The guy who is by most accounts a rapist and by all accounts a sexual harrasser. The same guy who crammed a cigar in a teenage intern's vagin.a in the Oval Office.
Disbarred.
Impeached.
And he's the darling of the Democrat party. Niiiiiice.
I despised this man when he was President, mainly because he had all the tools he needed to be one of the best Presidents in history, but instead his sociopath ego caused him to be involved in a new scandal every week. He pissed away his Presidency and in the process pissed away all the things he could have done for America. I was in the military at the time, and this bas.tard pimped us out to the UN every time he got caught with his weenie in the cookie jar.
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Post by Bruce Urabe on Sept 7, 2012 7:09:50 GMT -5
So did you actually listen to anything he said? Cause it was true. Or you gonna just bash him and even though what he said was true you're not going to listen because he said it?
I don't think he is a saint or anything of that matter, but it's what he was talking about and the FACTS that he presented that made it worth watching and listening to. Whatever you personally think about the guy...he was right in this speech.
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 7, 2012 7:22:52 GMT -5
Everything he said in the speech was taken from Obama's campaign. Bill Clinton called those very same claims "a fairy tale" a year ago. Clinton is a good Democrat soldier. But please remember the last three years where he basically called Obama an idiot and a liar at every opportunity. The term "The Amateur" for Obama came from Bill Clinton. Bill had to be told to quit undercutting the President's positions. Don't think for a moment that Bill likes Obama. Bill is a Democrat, doing what his party needs him to do because he is still very popular and Obama is not nearly so.
There are almost no "facts" in politics. There are sides of a coin. If they sound like "facts" it's usually because one tends to agree with that side of the coin.
Obama made people believe he was intelligent because he annunciates well when he reads a teleprompter. Clinton actually is a fantastic speaker and he's got charisma for days. He's a charmer and he's still the star of the Democrat party because of it. But don't confuse fancy speech with conviction. I knew what he was going to say before he said it. As far as "facts" they are only facts through the eyes of someone who agrees with them. When Bill Clinton's facts run totally opposite of the "facts" he was saying a year ago, you have to take his "facts" with a grain of salt.
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