Post by Michael Bluth on Nov 7, 2012 17:12:32 GMT -5
Nov 6, 2012 14:47:32 GMT -5 @ericmyler said:
Michael,I am having a difficult time understanding how someone who is a Mormon supports Barack Obama. Especially, when the other main candidate is a Mormon. However, I do believe that voting for Romney because he is a Mormon is just as biased as voting against him because he is a Mormon.
How do you reconcile your beliefs with supporting women to have the choice to murder their own unborn babies? Barack Obama who you support is a Pro-Choice candidate. While Mitt Romney has the same stance on Abortion as the church does. Only in the cases of Rape and the life of the mother.
How do you rationalize voting for a President who supports gays in the military and same-sex marriage when it is a excommunicatable offense to be a practicing homosexual? Especially, when the church so publicly was in favor of Prop 8 regarding same-sex marriage.
How do you justify voting for Obama when he is in favor of redistribution. Does the story of Giddianhi not seem eerily similar with Obama's efforts to take from those who have earned it and give to those who haven't? Is the church not in favor of self-reliance?
How do you explain away how several prophets have said that the Elders in the last days will save the constitution when it is hanging by a thread, and Romney is a High-Priest running for the highest office and you support Obama?
I am not trying to get on your case I just can't fathom how any Mormon, especially one who served an LDS mission, would vote for a Pro-Choice, Supporter of Gays in the Military and Same-Sex marriage, and Socialist candidate.
Instead of a fellow Mormon who served a mission in France, was a Bishop, a Stake President, and who is Pro-Life, Marriage between Man and Woman supporter, and who isn't a Socialist.
And yes, I know that Harry Reid is a Mormon, I'd like to ask him these same questions.
Again, please don't take offense at my questions, if you could just answer them as I am curious as to how you can support Obama.
Sup Eric. Here is the low down on why I can believe the things I do and still call myself an active Mormon.
I support a woman's right to choose. I believe that just as the Church does not support amendments to criminalize other things they morally oppose i.e. alcohol consumption, tobacco use, adultery and fornication, they should not try and intrude into the lives of individuals who do not hold to those same morals. The same goes for gay marriage as well.
I do not believe being an active homosexual is a sin and I will go toe-to-toe and bible bash with anyone on the topic to prove why it is simply a western cultural construct. I believe the Church was wrong for backing Prop 8 just like they were wrong for withholding the priesthood from black people and opposing the Equal Rights Amendment.
I do not believe that the Presidents of the Church are infallible. At times they receive revelation and at times their ideas and policies are symptoms of larger social issues.
As for redistribution, check this wonderful little piece from Brigham and the First Presidency.
The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (1875)
THE EXPERIENCE OF MANKIND has shown that the people of communities and nations among whom wealth is the most equally distributed, enjoy the largest degree of liberty, are the least exposed to tyranny and oppression and suffer the least from luxurious habits which beget vice. Under such a
system, carefully maintained there could be no great aggregations of either real or personal property in the hands of a few; especially so while the laws, forbidding the taking of usury or interest for money or property loaned, continued in force.
ONE OF THE GREAT EVILS with which our own nation is menaced at the present time is the wonderful growth of wealth in the hands of a comparatively few individuals. The very liberties for which our fathers contended so steadfastly and courageously, and which they bequeathed to us as a priceless legacy, are endangered by the monstrous power which this accumulation of
wealth gives to a few individuals and a few powerful corporations. By its seductive influence results are accomplished which, were it more equally distributed, would be impossible under our form of government. It threatens to give shape to the legislation, both State, and National, of the entire
country. If this evil should not be checked, and measures not taken to prevent the continued enormous growth of riches among the class already rich, and the painful increase of destitution and want among the poor, the nation is likely to be overtaken by disaster; for, according to history, such a tendency among nations once powerful was the sure precursor of ruin.
Brigham Young, Daniel H. Wells, Wilford Woodruff, Orson Pratt, Lorenzo Snow,
Franklin D. Richards, Brigham Young Jr., George A. Smith, John taylor, Orson
Hyde, Charles C,. Rich, Erastus Snow, George Q. Cannon, Albert Carrington
1875
