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Post by Pete & Tim on Sept 14, 2004 13:16:34 GMT -5
So I figured I'd post it here:
Let's start with Karen.
Why would you bother to post on here what username I use? No one cares!!! You didn't have to go and do that for anyone, I do it all the time after almost every thread. So why would you go and list me with all the other jerkazzes you have outed on here?
It was totlly uncalled for and unappreciated from my stand point, and from now on, I would appreciate if you do not include my name in a group such as this!!!
Todd Coe.
All I said to Harry was "don't come to this site" if he didn't wish to read any of the trash that is written on this board. I am sure there are alot of filtered child pornography sites that the George Bush Almighty hasn't found yet, that he can visit!!!
As far as posting your telephone number for me to call you if I have any issues that I need resolving, I sadly have to decline , I don't need anymore Telephone Tough Guys in my life!!!
Harry.
How as I supposed to know you actually exist. I thought you were the little red head girls next door neighbor. I mean Charlie Brown even knew who you were!!!
Up until Tough Guy Todd Coe posted your identity, I thought the only Harry thing around here was that little thing in Chris Coletti's underwear, but I won't bore you with the details on that subject!!! Coletti's wife has been bored with it for years.
And now, for what you have all been waiting for. We move to.....
Heather Mcsherry a.k.a. Charles Brown
Boy, you are stupid, aren't ya?
You can't get anything right at all can you? You post under different names and can't even remember which name you're using at the time you're posting. Then you have the balls to tell James that he has "No Class".
Pot calling the Kettle black?
I have had a few altercations with said Brown on numerous occassions, and let me tell "U" he's about as classy as the "RED NECK RIVIERA".
Wait a minute, someone just moved there I heard. Fact!!! isn't it Joe Friday?
Want some more, I got a bunch of them!!!
Fact.
An anonymous poster comes on here and asks a board user if he was a member of the team. Fact
Fact.
Said user was removed from the team (reasons unknown) days later. Fact
Fact.
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plains. Fact
Want More???
Fact.
An Armwrestler goes to A A A nationals to compete. The aforementioned armwrestler was not able to sleep very well because a married couple kept her up all night with their "Hootin and Hollerin". Fact
Fact.
Said married couple, are not married to each other!!! Fact
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!
Helpful tip 1.
If caught and arrested for such alduterous acts, I know a good bail bonds man!!!
Fact.
James Retarides is on the floor next to me right now in tears!!! Fact
I hope this has been an educational experience for everyone. It has been a real eyeopener for me.
In closing I would like to go out quoting someone dear to me.
Tony Montana
Say goodnight to the bad guy, cause you're never gonna see a bad guy like this again!!!
Heather
Oh sorry, I meant
Jerk
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Post by Chris Gangi on Sept 14, 2004 13:39:58 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!
There's alot of anger there pal but i have to say alot the things going on remind me of elementary school.
that's why i like it here when you post we all know who you are......unlike other boards who say you must register to post but allow people with names like charlie brown and other dumb names......
well that's enough for me hope to see y'all at vic's big party and good luck to all pullin in MAINE......
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Post by Todd Coe on Sept 14, 2004 14:26:37 GMT -5
Pete, I merely defended Harry and I didnot insult you. I gave you my phone number so if you wanted to talk about any other issues, you could. Also, I stated that Harry is a young man that is tired of adults like you and I that could not conduct ourselves properly without smart ass comments.
I have never insulted you, James, Simon or anyone else for their opinions. I also do not understand how AAA is destroying armwrestling with their massive $10 sanctioning fee.
Please, with any facts you have, post them so I can read them. FACTS NOT HEAR SAY.
Again, you have my phone number. You can call me collect anynight after 8 p.m. If not, that is fine too.
And as far as Heather goes, she is still a sweet and loving person who came out and owned up to being Charlie Brown.
Regardless of what anyone wants to say, it is not humanly possible for Karen to control the armwrestling world.
I beg of everybody to lets move on with our lives, for this topic has really grown old.
If you hate AAA so much, why do you come on it? Yes you have that right, but it is only a question.
P.S. Notice no smart ass comments. The same respect would be appreciated.
Todd Coe
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 14, 2004 14:35:18 GMT -5
Whats with the Southern Pullers always drinking the AAA cool aid? AAA?
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Post by simon on Sept 14, 2004 15:40:30 GMT -5
Todd I never meant any disrespect to Harry, he happened to jump in to the fray where people with singular names have historically been shills for the AAA, I cannot apologize enough to the guy. The fact that either of you don’t see what the problem is or you don’t understand why some of us react to the AAA the way we do is really not your fault, because of where you are located maybe you have to pull AAA so any other position by you two could be compromising, secondly maybe the two of you have not been around long enough to see what many of us have seen, look at the short list of things that Travis posted, that is just part of the things that the AAA has perpetrated. If you want details I am working on a very large list and I will send it to you.
This is not about her message board this is about what she is doing to the sport. Karen is not controlling the armwrestling world she just thinks she is, they have hurt many pullers in this sport and she continues to hurt the sport with her subversive and controlling tactics. Some of us are out to expose them because right is right and wrong is wrong, they have wronged a lot of people and remained virtually unscathed due to their position of power over people that fear them and their willingness to go to any level of deceit to stay there. It would be great if this was not the case but it is, and they should not be allowed to get away with it.
I used to think fairly well of Heather McSherry until this incident, you claim she is a sweet and loving person, have you read the things she has said on the board as CB throughout its history? She has been anything but sweet, how can she be looked at in any other fashion now than a deceptive pawn of the AAA. She did not come out, she screwed up, you don’t consider a corporate officer of a major company that admits he was guilty of defrauding investors after he was caught, to have owned up to anything she got caught she knew the position that this put Karen in so they tried to control the damage. Both Heather and Karen knowingly conspired to manipulate the general armwrestling public through lies, deception, and the use of non existent people to sway the publics perception of Karen’s company, now before anyone takes that out of context Karen’s own statements made her knowingly culpable to this action and she is after all the responsible managing officer of the AAA which is a legal incorporation, behaving in this manner in big business is called fraud.
Todd what I would beg of you is to get educated about what has transpired then come to a conclusion, trust me what is transpiring is for the good of all armwrestlers everywhere, you will come to see that someday soon.
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Post by Todd Coe on Sept 15, 2004 3:55:14 GMT -5
Hi Christian, to answer your question. I believe that many of the southern pullers consider AAA to be part of thier family. I talk to Ron Bath, David Randle, Cleve Dean, The Beans, Rick Laton and many more, just to see how they are doing or to ask advice. Oh let me not leave out one of my best friends Nicole Cisco. Who I truly love as if she was my sister. Simon please email me your facts or post them, because until I see them I still must defend AAA. Simon also not an attack, but Renne Bean is a awesome person and national champion unified and AAA. She was doing just like me and defending AAA from what she feels was an attack. I again state nobody has to like AAA or USAA or armwrestling period, and everybody has the right to thier opinion, but we should merely use respect when we disagree with someone and that is towards everybody.
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Post by James on Sept 15, 2004 8:26:09 GMT -5
Christian, I prefer grape Kool Aid. How about you? Is AAA on the menu?
I think a few more years in the sport may change Todd's mind. I understand that the friends he makes in the sport all live in his region. I have no problem with Ron Bath, David Randall, Cleve Dean, Rick Laton and Nicole Cisco. I respect them and could also understand if they do not respect me.
I think each of the aforementioned pullers are some of the greatest to ever chalk up in their respective weight divisions and overall. I have met Ron, Dave (briefly), Nicole (briefly, though I had a nice conversation with her father) and Rick Laton. I like Rick a lot, the others I don't know very well but I have heard they are fine people.
That all being said, their perception of me will not change the way I feel about this situation. If I believed Todd Coe was being singled out injustly I would defend him too even if it was at the expense of friends. Even if it caused people to have hatred toward me or even get a laugh at my expense. At the end of the day, I will feel satisfied with what I have done and I will be content at home with my fiancee Nicole and my son Noah and I will do my best to make them proud.
My friends that are truly my friends will weather the storm with me.
I don't need or seek your admiration or anyone elses. Perhaps I march to the beat of a different drummer. Someone posted on the other board that some AAA pullers (hated me). GOOD!
Others, both men and women, sent me private messages or called me yesterday to tell me a lot has changed for the worse in AAA over the last decade and they support what I am trying to do.
Despite all of it, whether I received no private messages, no phone calls and if it seemed every other puller on the planet did not support my stance on the Hester/Mike situation, I would not waiver.
Sincerely, James
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 15, 2004 10:49:14 GMT -5
Todd, yes the people you mentioned ARE very nice people. I like them all. I have NEVER said a bad word about the Beans, if I ever did,I apologize to them.To me, this has nothing to do with liking people, it has to do with unification. Remember all there is down there (the south) is MOSTLY AAA. So you guys really don't know any thing else, unless you have traveled. And really only Ron has traveled LATELY. YES, Cleve years ago. And Dave to the first Harley Pull 4 years ago (that I can remember, GOD I wish he would go to Zloty! ). What I have done is traveled all over the Country, pulled AAA, Unified, and unsanctioned meets since 88. I have met and pulled everyone I could. I have talked to alot of people, and have drawn an unbiased conclusion. UNBIASED like EVERYONE SHOULD DO!!!! You are fairly new to the sport, if you are able to, get out there and travel, pull and talk to everyone you possibly can. And then draw your own conclusion. Whatever it is, is you business and thats is just fine with me and should be with everyone else. This is like the election, the liberal, socialist, pinko dems versus the Republicans. Its o.k. to disagree as long as EVERYONE knows the REAL FACTS and that there is no kool aid drinking on EITHER side! Kepp pulling and stay strong! TODD!!!!! Maybe one da we will meet up across the table or not!
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Post by simon on Sept 15, 2004 10:53:57 GMT -5
I am certainly not singling out Todd in any way shape or form, Todd has called out to me about this subject and I am compelled to reply to his concerns, he seems like a very decent man and I would never ask him or anyone to stop being friends with people just because they have done something wrong nor am I asking anyone to rally behind me with their torch and pitchforks and storm the south, I am simply making the statement that the truth should be known, anyone that thinks they have a valid argument that can factually contradict mine, hey it is no secret how to get a hold of me on or off of a message board, in the end attacking me does not change the facts. Todd one question I have been meaning to ask though, why is it that Renee can attack James and I in defense of a perceived attack against the AAA and yet James and I cannot defend a fellow armwrestler that was attacked by them, that is all we were doing, it is not our fault that Karen and Heather got themselves and the AAA involved in this mess it is just the truth that they did.
I will say to anyone, if these people are your friends then please support them in a manner befitting the situation, if these people are truly friends of yours might I suggest discussing with them any concerns you may have over their behavior and in the end I am not asking anyone to jump ship, sever ties, or end relationships, all I would ask is for people to be open minded take what can be proven and think for themselves about what is right and what is wrong.
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Post by simon on Sept 15, 2004 11:11:14 GMT -5
Well said James, I know I have spoken the truth and when you do that it is easy to sleep well at night. It is odd that James and I would get so easily lumped together almost like a team considering that not long ago James and I were probably guilty of the longest running argument on this board regarding steroid use.
In reference to that subject I think that in James’s post both here and to Jim Bryan on the AAA board he very eloquently epitomized the difference between debating a subject and righting a wrong, when a member of your family does something inappropriate you address it, then they have the choice of atoning for it or not hopefully they do and over time things can improve, or they can never admit to blame and they can remain estranged, either way not calling it out is not the answer.
Christian you are dead right that is the point seek out the truths and come to your own conclusions that is all that can be asked of anyone.
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Post by Todd Coe on Sept 15, 2004 13:00:39 GMT -5
Christian I blieve we talked on a couple of occasions in the AAA chat room if your handle is southpaw"Mine was swga/Todd". I understand what you are saying christian, I did not want to come off as attacking anyone. I have made financial plans to travel to different northern states next year to pull different tourneys. I hope to pull you one day, I feel it will be a great learning expiernce for me.
Simon I was not attacking You or James as much as pointing out that Renee was doing the same as most people and defending what she bieleves. oh please send me your phone# it did not come through last time. So we can talk and I listen to your beliefs on AAA and Karen. I do defend Karen for a couple of reasons one I have not seen any proof of her involvement with Allen and Team La. I read Craig's statement and perceived that it was alot of misunderstandings between craig and allen that really got out of hand and possibly damaged friendships beyond repair. also Karen has helped me whenever I needed it and has never asked nothing in return. I truly do love the sport of armwrestling and Hate to see all of the negative energy. I still want to talk to you when it is convienent for you, because I find it hard to believe that one person or federation can have so much power. I belive it is the family of armwrestlers with control.
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Todd Coe
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Post by Todd Coe on Sept 15, 2004 13:03:03 GMT -5
Christian I do totally agree with you about the Democrats
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 15, 2004 13:03:08 GMT -5
No Todd I was NEVER an anon on the AAA board, I was always under my full name.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 15, 2004 13:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by simon on Sept 15, 2004 14:42:05 GMT -5
I appreciate the thought that I may have sent you my number because I had not sent it yet, I have had a pretty busy morning and I have been on a lot of conference calls so giving you my number for us to talk would not have worked I will send you my cell number right away and a time that I think we can talk. I did not think you were attacking me although Renee did go on the attack but to be honest I did not care a great deal that she did. My biggest concern I have with Renee, you, and Jim would be how you can defend your friends yet not really acknowledge what they did wrong. If James had been caught doing something along this line, I would have come out and defended James, I would have told people that he really is a nice guy, but I would not have attacked the people that were reasonably angry with him and frankly the first words out of my mouth would have been that I do not condone his actions and I will be the first to admit that those people that are upset with him for doing so have every right to be concerned about his activities. So having said that James I will defend you but not against people that attack you for being a Dem, sorry I can only go so far. ;D
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