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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 19, 2004 12:19:40 GMT -5
Kiril has problems with his computer, but this is info from him about the Pro league:
Hi guys, it's great to be a part of the board.
Yesterday I was at the pro league and I have some results
1st Babayev
2nd Ivanov
3rd Gashevski
4th Dursun
5th Niyazi
6th Chmielewski
7th Sanders
8th Matskevitch
and finally Tzvetan Gashevski won against Babayev . They’ve met in the last round and it was a strap match, Rustam got the start but couldn’t pin Tzvetan, Tzvetan tried to roll the wrist and with body under the table after more than 30 sec opened Babayev`s wrist, then moved his body up and with a shoulder roll move won the match.
Tzvetan also won the match with the left arm against Aleh Maskevitch in straps after 2 min match with 2 fouls. That was the 2nd round, then they lost all their matches after that pull.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 19, 2004 12:26:22 GMT -5
Remember my words about Ivanov? ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 19, 2004 12:28:15 GMT -5
yes he lost to rustam:) he beat maskevich because he had a killing dog fight with gashevski.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 19, 2004 12:32:28 GMT -5
Have Maskevich and Ivanov pulled left before? If yes, who won? If no, who do you think would win?
I mean... Tzvetan has no chance against Ivanov with left what I know... and if Tzvetan can give Maskevich a match like that, then I would be surprised if Ivanov couldn't.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 19, 2004 12:40:05 GMT -5
maskevich beat everyone with left in last two years.ivanov lost to my friend tuncay and iskenderov so easily.i beat both of them so easy.maskevich just won another world title in africa.gashevski lost to everyone in poland lefty,where maskevich won 1.place.gashevski also beat rustam in this event.ivanov also couldnt place with his neither arms in 2002 worlds in springfield.he s good but not that great.rustam just beat him in a second.think about it iskenderov beat him in 80kg class with 73kg body weight.and same iskenderov just took 3.place in africa.only thing i can say that i beat tuncay who took second place to rustam in 80kg category where ivanov took 7.place.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 19, 2004 12:41:23 GMT -5
maskevich took 2.place in last year's worlds but he lost to eldarov with two fouls.he beat shamil karajaev easily in 2002 worlds.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 19, 2004 12:46:02 GMT -5
i meant in the worlds.maskevich also lost to rustam and hubulov(who easily beats rustam lefty).
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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 19, 2004 13:10:38 GMT -5
maskevich took 2.place in last year's worlds but he lost to eldarov with two fouls.he beat shamil karajaev easily in 2002 worlds. What? Did Maskevich beat Karajaev with left? THAT is impressive!!! |
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 19, 2004 13:17:33 GMT -5
he killed him Charlie.this guy is strong believe me.damn strong.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Dec 19, 2004 14:16:06 GMT -5
Pascal Girard gave him a match at the European 2001, if I remember correctly, but that might have been with right arm.
I've seen Maskevich pull many times, but I have never thought that he was one of the absolute best. Seems like I have to change my mind on that one.
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Post by Kiril Bogdanski on Dec 19, 2004 14:51:29 GMT -5
hey friends, Miroslav was the only one who scared Babayevwith left,but lost.Matskevitch and Tzvetan pulled in the 2nd round, Miroslav and Matskevitch pulled later.Yesterday Miroslav could pin Matskevitch in every match ,no matter if Matskevitch was fresh or not.Matskevitch had so long match with Tzvetan and as we all know Miroslav`s left is MUCH stronger than Tzvetan`s. the match of the day was Tzvetan and Babayev- right arm.Babayev was stronger,Babayev was younger,but that day in front of the Bulgarians crowd he had no chance.everyone was screaming like crazy and Tzvetan won.The competition was great,the next one will be at the last week of Janyary in Poland
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Post by Dragos Corcoveanu on Dec 19, 2004 15:23:30 GMT -5
Organizers, Assen Hadjitodorov and Igor Mazurenko, representing Professional Armwrestling League, did a great job again.
I was one of the referees, together with a guy from Bulgaria and I must say I was pretty impressed because all competitors was extremely stong and it wasn't easy at all to predict the winner of a match if you were watching the contest.
Especially when it was the left hand matches, when all the competitors were fresh, there was only tough matches, mostly of them with straps and referee grip in the same time, and a lot of coincidential fouls, so it was not so easy to referee at this contest.
Sometimes it happened that referee decisions being delayed for seconds because of very fast matches.
It seems that PAL will use next year cameras near the armwrestling table, instead second referee.
They want to avoid referee's mistakes when it 's happening elbow fouls, by analizing videos before calling a decision.
I think it will be an interesting experiment, anyway it won't be so simple to apply.
Anyway, my conclusion is that it was a great contest and the final ranking reflects 100% the value of the competitors, because anyone met anyone with both left and right arm.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 20, 2004 9:22:28 GMT -5
Kiril,its very normal you think the way that u do now since you are a Bulgarian.
but im sure that with more experience and knowledge you will realise the things that i do.the only difference was,it was in Bulgaria.i talked to niyazi and he told me that rustam started with a very bad position against gashevski.how come ivanov placed out of top 3 in 2002 worlds where there was no strong man in his class,and also lost to 73kg guy just a few months ago,and now you think he could beat maskevich?
why not organising a match between i and him lefty?we can bet money?as much as you want! 78kg category?deal?im not too far from there,but i want a fair and good ref.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 20, 2004 9:27:13 GMT -5
we also knew that rustam's right was much stronger than gashevski but it didnt work that way,right?
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 20, 2004 9:36:30 GMT -5
Dragos,
important s not everyone meets eachother,but if everyone met when they were fresh.it shows who has what value.can u tell me that a guy can be fresh after pulling two minutes?and meets a guy who just had a one second match,as the next match??
these are all funny comments,was gashevski able to win any in rest of his matches with left hand after pulling two minutes??or do you think that a person doesnt lose any power after pulling a few minutes of match??
of course that i understand that Kiril as a Bulgarian,and you as being a ref of that event couldnt have to express your thoughts in a different way:).
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