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Post by Bill Cox on Dec 21, 2004 23:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Coletti on Dec 22, 2004 0:22:49 GMT -5
This is like the thread that will not die! This thread is and has been over for about 5 posts. If you all will stop telling us to stop then it woud stop  |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 22, 2004 0:37:35 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Omer Bennurkan on Dec 22, 2004 12:30:15 GMT -5
Again why i believe what i believe, and why i say WHAT i say not HOW i say. My manner of the statement may have been wrong but the statement was not." ryan"
so wasnt our statement.
Christians who try to claim that Allâh () is the name of the "moon god", are influenced by the writings of Dr. Robert Morey, who wrote as such in his book The Islamic Invasion. Regardless, they (and Dr. Morey included) are playing a silly game. The writings of Dr. Morey are nothing more than the thoughts of a mid-Western creationist closet-fascist, and were not originally intended for a wide audience. Regardless, his "evidence" of a so-called moon deity named "Allâh" actually hurts his religion as much as it does Islam. The basic claim is that the pre-Islamic Semitic world (not just Arabia) was the home to widespread worship of a moon god or goddess named "Allâh". The problem with speculations about pre-Islamic deities from the Semitic world in this case is the fact that any inscription prior to the advent of Islam is also prior to the introduction of diacritical marks in the Semitic languages. Why is this a problem? Well, if one claims to have found evidence of a moon god named "Allâh" in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon, this claim applies to the respective deities of both Christianity and Islam. The first time the word "God" appears in the Bible, it is in Genesis 1:1, when it states:
B'recrap bara ELOHIM et ha-shama'im, V'et ha-arets.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
While Christians will forever speculate on the word "Elohim" (), honest Hebrew speakers would admit that this archaic word for God has a history that is lost to us. The "royal plurality" hypothesis may be a possible explanation for why the word is plural, but this seems to have been unknown to early Hebrew speakers (such as the Jewish missionary who, according to the Kuzari, competed with Muslims and Christians to convert the king of the Khazars in the eighth century). It is difficult however to translate this word to "gods," as the Hebrew text conjugates the verb "to create" in the singular. Regardless, (Elohim) is a plural forum of a more basic root-word for God, (eloh)
However, if one were to find the word (eloh) (alef-lamed-heh) in an inscription written in paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader. This letter combination (which can be proncounced alah) is the root for the verb "to swear" or "to take an oath," as well as the verb "to deify" or "to worship", as can be seen as follows:
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The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, which means God, deity, power, strength, et cetera.
So one of the basic Hebrew words for God, (eloh), can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God[2] is (alah). This word, in the standard script (), or the Estrangela script (), is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, eel.[3]
The Arabic word for God, Allâh () , is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, (ilah). We are quickly starting to notice the obvious linguistic and etymological connections between the respective words for God in these closely related Semitic languages (e.g. Allâh, Alah, and Eloh being related to Ilah, Eel, and El, respectively). So, in conclusion, if monolingual tri-theists want to claim that Allâh/Alah was the name of a tribal moon god, and that worship of such a deity is a gross pagan practice, they should throw their Bibles in the dustbin for including this deity in its text. They should also repudiate Jesus for calling on an version of this deity while on the cross (as per the Biblical account).
Interestingly enough, there is proof from a Christian source that clearly demonstrates the above.
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The above book mentions that Ezra and the Prophet Daniel called their God as "Elah". The passage above is more than enough to counter the allegation made by misguided Christians about Allâh being a moon god. For, if Allâh is the moon god, then what were Ezra and Daniel worshipping?
Conclusion
Pantheist/Buddhist thinker Brett Neichin has said of Christians that they are reformed Jews and do not even know it. Indeed, much of Christianity finds its roots in the Semitic world, yet the believers of this religion are notorious for their interpretations of the faith in a European world view. This is the reason they would actually try to find fault with a religion that acknowledges the existence of the exact same God they do; this is the reason they would erroneously claim that Eloh, Alah, and Allâh are different Gods.
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Dec 22, 2004 13:23:20 GMT -5
Omer......... Now you read what others are asking about this stopping or going off topic board! You are now the ONE that is responsible for keeping it going, Why dont you try using.....WISDOM....Wisdom to know when and WHERE to post this stuff. ...ARMWRESTLING OMER! Armwrestling OK! Thanks for not replying with anything other than...OK...Lets talk Armwrestling
Thanks Sol
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Post by Omer Bennurkan on Dec 22, 2004 14:15:49 GMT -5
Listen sol,
First of all i dint started all this and i really dont wanna be a part of this neither.but let me ask you why didnt you respond to ryan at the týme he was writing it or ýs it because he is a christian?just be open.
and do NOT tell me in a commending way to what i should say or not man.I am a grown up and do know what to say.But after ryan gave the internet adress in his post i had to put it down here.do you understand that or not?And again i have no desire in keeping this bulls..t.
And for the others i appologize for keeping this board busy and Ý WÝLL NOT POST ANYTHÝNG untill someone attacks my personality or my faith.
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Dec 22, 2004 14:58:17 GMT -5
Omer.
I like most people were waiting for the thread to change back to armwrestling and felt that ryan was trying to stop. So i didnt say a thing as it seemed to finally be on topic again. But then you posted some more and i guess i just thought i would say something. Also, for your interest, i am a born again christian and i would only discuss it off topic. You will see it is easy to think people are attacking your faith, with the slightest of comments. but in reality they are not. Most all here are great people, and dont take any offence to my comments, i am only trying to keep the topic armwrestling, as i think others were as well... Take care Sol
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 22, 2004 15:10:01 GMT -5
Thank you Sol!!!!!
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 22, 2004 15:18:47 GMT -5
Sol,you felt wrong,i have been waiting for weeks.calling my GOD as moon GOD is not something small.just let us feel for ourselves.if you want thisto quit,then as being out of subject you do get out of it first.
watch out you nose Ryan.
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Dec 22, 2004 15:26:35 GMT -5
Engin.....
this ended remember? So now that we are over it, how are you? we want to see you pull again, when and where will i see for the first time..The great Engin on the table? Your friend Sol
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Dec 22, 2004 15:27:33 GMT -5
Oh!......Youre welcome ryan!
When is your next pull?
Sol
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 22, 2004 15:29:16 GMT -5
i guess you must realise first that its ended.no more horrastment.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 22, 2004 15:30:04 GMT -5
Im not sure after i recover from a nose injury  ill have to aquire some money to travel with ;D |
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Post by Sol "Arm and Hammer"Ingram on Dec 22, 2004 15:32:35 GMT -5
engin...When will you be pulling again? will it be in usa soon........how bout vegas? Thanks sol
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 22, 2004 15:43:39 GMT -5
im not sure Sol.vegas sounds good but i must know full details as weight classes and the prize money for each class finishers.right now my first goal is beating cvetan gashevski.then if our nationals wont be close to vegas time then vegas is a great idea.i hope to mett you soon too.take care my friend..
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ill have to aquire some money to travel with ;D