Professionalism

[Paul Maiden]

Hey guys
i was just thinking about the vegas tourney and the zloty and things like that,ok were going to get drug tests at the worlds but if we dont have it at these smaller tourneys like vegas and zloty(with all due respect)whats stoping people from getting roided of there skull just to win the money?what about giving a fraction of the prize money towards doping?this has its down sides i guess for the winners pocket but in genral armwrestling would benefit in more ways than 1 eg more level compitition,were seen by the ioc to be making a bigger effert than were doing now etc.
i think this will greatly increase our chances of being taken alot more serious.
Another thing is if you look at the zloty for instance how many world stars were there that wernt in south africa or canada?i dont want to cast a stone but i beleive that there was alot of juice flying around that arena,i mean we have to stop the roids at all levels it takes the piss that they go on gear for 6 week get as strong as a ox than the rest of the year there human anyone can do this. we will see who the real professional armwrestlers are when it worlds time when the tests are in. we will see who doesnt show up when it matters but there winning none drug tested tourneys these cheats will be seen for what they are.
Igor has started of the PAL world championships is this a good or bad thing?if were wanting armwrestling to get huge exposure it fantastic,but will there be tests in place to make sure its fair?will it incourage the use of the mighty neddle so you can go out and get this made up title?and will we see these champions at the worlds?
these are just a couple of questions id like to ask you guys out there
thanks

[Christopher Myers]

Well said mighty when the playing field is even all the time then there will be some consistant champions

[Steven Lareau]

How expensive is drug testing?

[Ryan Thames]

Not only will it make things fair but it will be encourageing to the newer guys . They wont be as intimaidated to compete if they know there are no roids. They wont be under so much pressure to juice up them selves.

And of course i dont think steroids are bad for you unless you abuse it. But it is illegal, and looked down upon. If all the new guys and even kids see that steroids are accepted then it will influence them also. Most likley in a not so good way.

[enginterzi]

steroids or olympics?olympics!!

[enginterzi]

Mighty,do you really believe that the steroid test in Japan will stop the use of juice??

please Mighty,it will only stop ppl using them for last week,which wont change something.the steroid test will be a good step for the olympic recognation but will not stop the use of juice.

[Ty Kissner]

I agree Engin if a puller wants to go on the gas he will and he should be educated enough to find a way to beat the test. If not its his own fault. Do I agree on using juice well yes and no. I say yes because I feel due to genetics there its quite a difference in a persons make up. You could have a guy who is 225 pounds of shredded muscle and you could have a guy 225 pounds of pure fat. Their both 225 pounds but i'll go with the guy thats shredded. From a standpoint where we are trying to get armwrestling recognized as an olympic sport i saw no to juice because with people juicing there is no chance in hell of it going to the olympics. Personally I beleive we all have to make our own conclusions on steroid use and make your own decision.

[Joe Bacca]

Use of drugs has absolutely nothing to do with why this sport is not an Olympic event...

[Ty Kissner]

I agree Harry there are alot of factors involved no one wants to talk about.

[enginterzi]

Harry,to be part of the olympics we must test the athletes of our sport.so it has something to do with steroids.we must test and prove to the IOC that we dont let steroid use in armwrestling.

Tyler,my friend,if you know things that we should discuss about how to get our sport into olympics,then you can start.im ready to share my thoughts.i really dont know what are missing with us that we cant get to be an olympic sport.

[Paul Maiden]

Engin in may do in some cases i think it may stop 1 or 2 people who are usual roid monsters coming,but my thoughts are for the ioc and other governing bodies to see we are making a leap forward.i also think in the next 3 years armwrestling will change drastically not to sure how yet. but can you tell me that PAL world champions will come to the worlds if theres drug testing?and then 2 or 3 weeks later there in a supermatch in the eastern block for 1000 bucks?

[enginterzi]

Mighty,there is no real world title that can be won at no where except from the WAF worlds,this s first of all.World is where all nations are together,so to get a world title you need to compete against the champions of the countries from different continants,and beat them.its same like,if any promoter arranges a match between to top armwrestler and declare the winner as the world champion.for example,Craig Tullier and Michael Selerais are the two of the best armwrestlers in the world and they will have a super match soon.you can just give a new name for this match and declare the winner as the new world champion under 86kg-189pound.other than WAF every special match winner would be a fake world champion,or make up world champion.Petaluma can be an exception because of being the oldest World championships,that helped armwrestling to reach these days.Petaluma was,is and will be a well respected classic for the armwrestlers.

they still may come to the WAF worlds to make ppl believe that they are juice free,but as we all know that they can test negative even by cutting juice in last couple of weeks.as i told you before,the test in Japan can only find out who was on something two weeks before the championships.its same for all of us.not only for the certain region.

[Paul Maiden]

Hey Engin
i think this PAL world championship for armwrestling in genral is a great way of promoting the sport and making it more intersting for the spectators,with the boxing style fights,we in england have done this over the past 3 years very sucessfully throw the hard work of the Natural and MR WISE if my memoery serves us right in a place called bolton we had a 1000 strong crowd watching according to the media and this was superb,i remember i felt like a superstar ha ha walking out to the music people saying to my wife is that your husband some of the crowd stayed all day all they were short of was the big WWE fingers ;D
but that day there was no money involed we turned out from all over the country just to help promote the sport and show respect for all the hard work the promoters put in,but iam sure if there would have been CASH on the table some may have been on the juice.this is the only problem i see with these sorts of matches that it will have ppl indulge in the juice.
as for the steriod tests in japan we will only no who has been on the juice in the last couple of weeks but we only have to catch 1 and this will start the ball rolling.but we have to remember the more professinal we became the more money that enters the sport the more corruption will take place

[enginterzi]

i see some inconsistant between your different posts,but its ok.

Mighty,no one is against any great tournaments as long as we dont forget our main goal(olympics),and as long as we dont forget that no one can throw mud to WAF,that will lead us to our goal,just to make ppl think that WAF is a stupis tournament where you cant gain a real world title.

also we must remember that certain ppl hold their positions in the WAF and EAF!and they fight real hard in the congresses to gain these positions.i just dont know why ppl would fight these positions if they think that its a place that armwrestlers cant gain real titles.

i just cant stop my self from remembering Joe and Ben Weider brothers,one controls pro body building,and the other controls the amateur body building to stop it to become as an olympic sport.when it gets to be in the olympics the body builders wouldnt sacrifice their healths that badly to make an average amount of money compare to the amount that an olympic winner would make.yes there are boxers who makes more money than the olympic winners,but you cant make same amount,even close amount of money in the professional armwrestling.

in short,to be a part of the olympic games is the future of the all armwrestlers from all over the world.and every promoter that has this dream have my respect.

[Paul Maiden]

Engin if you look at my 1st post there are questions within questions ha ha thats just me typing away thinking of everything at once,i remember i was speaking to a certain indvidual from the eastern side of europe and iam talking a big name they told me and my wife that he earned 90 dollars a week or could have been a month,so can anyone tell me that if they have the chance to win a 1000 dollars and use the juice,or would they go to the worlds and win nothing and risk getting banned whom i wonder what they would choose?as far as the olympics every man or woman who is helping this sport to progress properly i thankyou