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Post by enginterzi on Jan 3, 2005 10:55:03 GMT -5
Mighty, i hope that the world will be so rich one day,and no body will have to sacrifise his-her health for some amount of money.
i hope that the world will be so fair one day,and they will not cheat in the relationships to gain earthly benefits,and they will not cheat in the relationships to shut people up.
i hope one day there will be no body on the earth that will be afraid to say what he believes.
i hope one day we get into the olympics,and the best ones win.
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Post by Paul Maiden on Jan 3, 2005 11:07:32 GMT -5
Great words Mr Terzi form a great man
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Post by simon on Jan 3, 2005 12:07:05 GMT -5
Sorry I got in on this string late, I am all for drug testing if for no other reason because at a certain tier it is a requirement of the IOC for recognition, beyond that I do not ever believe the sport will have a completely level playing field, no other sport does why would we? High level view: we have a very long way to go with drug testing, people have been using substances to win in sporting contests for what now a century?
Many of the WADA banned substances are perfectly legal in certain countries, for an example many of the Andro product that are readily available over the counter in the USA are just this month going to be banned in this country and they have long been banned by WADA and the NFL. So if you were a US puller that was using a legal Andro product you would have tested dirty in Brasil if they were using WADA standards.
Many people in the international sporting community have a long history of being very adept at beating these tests, and with continued advances in chemistry, nano technology and genetic biology we may see a time where it is impossible to tell the enhanced from the all natural hard training competitor.
I hope Rick Pickney reads this string but from my research on the subject (which includes conversations with people that head up sports that are already IOC recognized), the IOC does require a drug testing policy but it is not required throughout your sport to all levels, athletes that are going to compete in the Olympics must be tested against WADA standards.
Many sports that are currently in the Olympics do not necessarily test to WADA standards at a countries nationals or even international/world events, this happens for many reasons including need and cost, (10 meter air rifle does not really need to test for anabolic substances in the course of their national or world events).
So to me there is a big difference between trying to level the playing field across the board in our sport and doing the minimum required to be in compliance with the IOC.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 3, 2005 12:11:06 GMT -5
Simon,
where have you been?many of us need your technical opinions that are full of knowledge and intelligence.you are the man that will inform us about IOC requirements.please get involved more often with your very valuable thought about all subjects.thanks!
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Post by simon on Jan 3, 2005 14:00:59 GMT -5
Sorry for the absence, year end is a very busy time for me, thank you very much for your kind words Engin, my quest for any of this is more about learning the reality of what is required of us and removing the rumor and fear that we are not able to become a top tier sport.
Actually Rick Pickney is probably more knowledgeable about the WADA requirements, and about the WAF becoming compliant, I have a bit different position than Rick does but I think it is a healthy point, counter point position that Rick and I share. I see it as him focusing on the letter of the law version of getting the WAF to the WADA level of testing, me I think a solid testing program that is not necessarily completely at WADA standards is a better place to start, then once we are ready to go to this level and other concerns are met then we can institute a WADA testing program only at the appropriate and required events for IOC consideration.
Some people may say why not do WADA first, my response is because I do not think we can do it well so maybe we should set our sights a bit lower to start, also people may say that I am misinterpreting the requirements but again after having spoken to groups that are already IOC recognized I don’t think I am.
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