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Post by enginterzi on Nov 26, 2004 6:49:13 GMT -5
these last days US has killed over 2000 people,and those days were the most important holydays for the Islamic world.it was month of Ramadan,the most important month that Muslims fast for 30 days from sun rise to sun set by not eating nor drinking anything.and a few days before end of Ramada there was a night which was more important than 1000 nights for the believers to be forgiven by ALLAH.but the most killing happenned on that day.when they were getting killed by tens on that night bush was giving a dinner for the represantatives of Islam by mocking them.a religion has never been humiliated as Islam today.i really hope it will never happen on Christians,because its very humiliating.
what bush does today may be killing thousands of lives,but its creating a hate in Muslims that will stay in their hearts for centuries.even a war should have some respect in it,even if you are killing people in their own land.you all can blame me.i dont mind.i have no problem with the public of no country but about politicians i cant say same.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 26, 2004 11:41:18 GMT -5
I myself wish the war wasnt killing people but honestly whether im in your country or mine if someone shoots at me im shooting back. They are trying to establish a democracy over there wich i honestly do not see as an answer to the problem. The people who want that kind of freedom arent trying to blow the soldiers up. The muslim clerics have declared Jihad(holy war) on america calling us the great satan many years ago. Im sorry that they veiw us that way. But that is why they bombed our towers in '93 and bombed our towers in '01 in the name of "holy war". Is it or is it not in the Qur'an that if you child converts to Islam you are to kill them? I know of a story where a mans child moved to america gave his life to christ and his father , i think in suadi arabi, had to disown him becuase he didnt want to kill him and becuase he couldnt he was soo far away. I have no hate or bitterness to the muslim people i love the muslim people i have a great respect for you becuase you believe in your faith more than most people who claim to be christians and you are willing to fight for it. The supreme court in this nation is doing everything they can to strip christian freedoms away. They have been doing it slowly and suttley the supreme court and ACLU and other atheist and communist groups. satan is trying to "shut us up" sending false knowledge and wisdom declaring that the best way to preach the gospel is to be silent and that is a lie know one will ever know the truth of who Jesus is unless we tell them about it. Christians are under attack and persecution to, Engin dont feel alone in that and think that Christians are your enemy we are not, america is not your enemy either. We are both against satan but the difference between us is identifying satan. we as a whole agree who or what satan is. (what exacty do you belive about satan?. his origin and place now and his role in our lives?).
I thank you for your opinoins on your faith and again i would still like to know more i am going to buy a Qur'an and read more about it. I know there are inconsistansis in there i just dont know it well enough to ask too much. And im going to do more research on muhammed. We both believe our faith strongly you desire truth i hope, Myself since i was 12 years old ive been searching for truth i looked into some chinese philosophy i looked into Islam I looked into myself. And God led me to Jesus he chancged my life from there own and created me to be a new person and he filled me with the holy spirit the blood of Jesus the Son of God was shed for me and was shed for you whether you believe it or not. And becuase of that i am able to have a relationship afather son relationship with him that NOONE and nothing can ever convince me otherwise in my life Gods hand has touched me so strong were i could not stand and out of my own mouth i speak launguages i do not know. all these things are confirmed in my bible. God does speak to me in every decision of my life whether i obey or not is my stupidity or obedience.
You and i agree that God is holy and perfect and does not make mistakes. He is full of love and mercy and Grace. If God loves us soo much and yet he is soo holy that we can not exsist in his presence becuase of our sin wouldnt his love for us provide a way that we could have a relationship?? and when we die with out the remission of sin we cant spend enternity in heaven with him. I dont see how you doing good things can right all the bad youve done enough to please God. that then puts the power of salvation in your hands and not in Gods. God is holy and full of grace and mercy he does not make mistakes. He gave the life of his son So that we could enjoy having a relationship with him. Other wise we are not to make the rules in how we get to heaven God established a law and fullied that law in Christ. In your life you have to do good thing to balance the bad things and then hope that Allah has mercy on you. So do you live your life in fear that he might not?? MY bible teaches me there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. and that through his blood i am made holy and i am in the holiness of Jesus so that i can be in the presence of God. And that garantees me entry to heaven if i endure to the end in my faith in what he did for me at the cross. And the blood of Jesus gives me the right to call God my father becuase by faith i was crucified with him and buried with him and resurected with him. My flesh is now dead to sin it can be revived as this poor human keeps entertaining it but nevertheless it is dead to sin and that is the only way to have a relationship with the Father and my personal relationship wth him esures me that this is not a false faith. No matter how many things you might find that "look" like inconsistances.
You believe your Qur'an is truth, and i believe my Bible is truth. One of us is wrong in the eyes of God. And led by the lies of satan. The Qur'an says to never say God has a Son, where the bible says the only way to the Father is through the Son. Satan is both our enemies. I know that the Qur'an wasnt Written until after Muhammed was dead and gone. and i know that The Bible in its entirety was written way before muhhammed was born. Not only was it finished Way before, but it started 1000's of years before it was finished by people who never met each other prophesying things that conform each others visions 1000's of years seperating and 1000's of miles seperated some of the writers and they all point to the same things. From Genesis to Revalation the book is talking about the Cross of Jesus and his shed blood to make us holy becuase WE as human cannot be holy nor can we make ourselves holy. Nothing we can do. And my bible also teaches me that without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith in what??, That he died for me and made a way for me to have a relationship with him?? or faith in that i ddi enough good things to balance the bad?? You cant have faith in the things we do becuase we are human they are incosistant. And they cant make us holy. We do good things often out of selfish motives and that makes them bad things nomatter how good. Even sometimes i will preach about jesus or other topics of the bible not to speak the truth about them but to make myself look intellegent and wise and holy and at those times im wrong and need to remain silent. Right now im not speaking out of selfish motive and a need to be right. i want to do the best i can to relay to you the miracles God has done in my life through the blood of Jesus.
After my Father died when i was 7 i searched for truth and like i said i looked to many avenues of "spirituality" and i found the bible and i read it. And i used to say that it was my Knowledge and ltelect that saved me simply becuase i wieghed the truth about God. But it wasnt me nor my knowledge of anything it was my faith in Christ and his blood as the Son of God and the sacrifice for my sins. Becuase the wages of sin is death we all deserve death and God is a just God and he will judge us justly we will all die for our sin and suffer the consequence of seperation from god for eternity. Unless God makes away for someone to take our punishment. and it had to be the perfect sinless and holy Son of God. Who died in my place so that i could have eternal life and a relationship with him. And God became my father becuase he is the father to the fatherless. And he raised me when my father died and my mother was too oppressed by satan do raise me in the ways of God, although she tried. And since then Holy Spirit has led me in truth and taught me truth as the bible says he would and still does on a daily basis. When i was 12 i had a heart disease and a result was high cholesterol i had enough cholesterol to kill an adult, my father died of this. The doctor told me if i didnt do something about it i would before i turned 18 pretty horrifying for a young child to hear. So i took the next six years of my life understanding that i am mortal and even if i did fix the heart problem i would still die one day so i started reading the bible in school and i failed school for it. Those years of my life God gave me a desire for truth and he gave me a bike and he gave me a passion for armwrestling and a taste for skinless chicken breast ;D im 22 years old now and still alive. and i praise God every day of me life for it. In the process of my desire for truth he filled me with his spirit as stated in the book of acts with the evidence of speaking in other languages. That is something noone can ever find fault in it is truth and it is in my life. His spirit gives me strength to make it through the day with love and joy in my heart even when i am persecuted.
Naturally it is my prayer that you to will oneday see Jesus the way i see him. It gives me no personal benefit or gain. That is just the compasion god has put in my heart. That everyone know a relationship with the Father.
Your cousin who desires to be your brother, ;D Ryan Thames
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 27, 2004 5:53:55 GMT -5
to killing your child in Quran? ??its the greatest lie i ever heard about Islam?who told you this lie?Muslims are allowed to fight against the ones that fights against them.im not enemy of Christians,nor Americans.they are all my friends and i call them brothers and cousins:).you will not find inconsistants but the way that you write without knowing about it shows me how objective you are.Quran was written before Muhammed (PBUH)died.ppl just made them together.you to desire to be my brother is possible by a few easy words '' there is no god but ALLAH and Muhammed is HIS servant and messenger'' .take care cousin.i really have many things to do with problems related with our federation.but when i get time to sit and make researches again i will discuss you.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 27, 2004 10:51:25 GMT -5
I heard of a story i wasnt qouting the qur'an. Like i said i know i dont know the Qur'an very well so im not trying to qoute it.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 1, 2004 14:08:01 GMT -5
Engin i dont exactly agree with you about the war killing more people than Saddam did in his lifetime. But trying to create a government as America knows it in the Islamic world is foolish, I do see that. Our world in America is based around the people being able to live their lives and using God given free will. The Islamic world is about religious devotion which is admirable. I just hope no matter what the Iraqi people will be able to find peace and happiness on the path to God.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 1, 2004 14:47:26 GMT -5
I agree that trying to establish a democracy is foolish. Unless that is what the people want. if it isnt and they want theocracy then they will just elect someone to do that. I hope everything works out and i support our country in whatever it is trying to do. But i dont think that democracy is the answer. Islam believes Allah is the answer, and i Believe Jesus is the answer.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 5, 2004 13:57:44 GMT -5
i live in Turkey and we have democracy.over %90 of ppl muslim.Islam has democracy but its shown as something bad in western ppl to make them not to like it.so Israel can have the support of USA.and when a palestanian kills an israeli he can be a terrorist but if they kill even babies by army he can be peace keepers.its just being devil nothing else.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 5, 2004 14:00:03 GMT -5
israel has being a governmental terrorism for over 20 years.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 5, 2004 14:06:13 GMT -5
Tony you are right saddam has killed more ppl but in over 20 years. when you compare with time bush has killed more ppl in iraq under the name of democracy game.now by the oil that he will get till it finishes,you can have a better life in US.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Dec 5, 2004 20:40:39 GMT -5
right now the country is owned by the wealth. There is a viel that hides that truth from americans, making us feel like we have the power. But no matter what the rich can control things that people don't monitor. If this war all turns out to be about oil then that will just give me another reason to dislike Bush.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 5, 2004 21:01:54 GMT -5
I like Bush i voted for him and i wouldnt take back my vote.
Well, ya know just too put in my opinoin. I'm not really going to go into my deeper opinoins on that other than i will say that the bible says we should pray for the peace of Isreal. Saddam Hussein believed he was the incarnate of Nebachenezzar and as a result of that he wanted to wipe out Isreal and that cannot happen. Neb. was one of the Global dominators prophecied in daniel along with the roman empire and medes and persians and alexander the great and the mix between Iron and clay the last world dominator is still to come which will be....................... it aint america i promise you that. Ill start the rest on another post. ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 7, 2004 7:30:01 GMT -5
a man can not marry another man in any Muslim country.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 7, 2004 10:05:58 GMT -5
Muslim countries are guided strictly by their religion and the moral intolerance is awesome and to be respected. Here in America this nation was based on the foundations of the bible and should be more intolerant moraly but there are people who want to lie about the foundation of the country and try to steal our country from us.
In Florida there was a federal park that had a statue of Jesus. An atheist group took it to court that they had to remove becuase of the seperation of church and state, which there is no such thing in the constitution. The entire park was submerged under water 3 feet off to shore and 20 feet below the surface. This atheist group said they have to rid america of all traces of christianity. Atheist breed atheist through lies and deception and convince each other that christians are brainwashed. and claim they knoe what the bible is talking about but dont have a clue becuase looking at it wrong.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 7, 2004 12:53:16 GMT -5
long time ago world was a better place to live.men were like men and women were like women.
Ryan,im against any symbol in religion.doesnt matter if it s a picture,or the moon,or the cross,or a statue.its something that lives in us.what all messengers taught us wasnt visible for eyes, but for hearts it was visible.
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