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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 24, 2004 16:58:12 GMT -5
Here is what i know about the differences of the religions.
CHRISTIANITY
Key Person or Founder, Date, Location
Jesus Christ. Founded about ad 30-33, in the judean province Palestine (Israel Today), under the Roman Empire. Followers of Jesus Christ became known as Christians
Key Writings
Th Bible, written originally in Hebrew and Aramaic (Old Testament), and Greek (New Testament)
Who Is God?
The one God is Triune(One God in three persons, not three gods):Father, Son and, Holy Spirit. Often the title "God" Designates the first Person, God the Father. God is a spiritual being without a physical body. He is personal and involved with people. He Created the universe out of nothing. He is eternal, changless, holy, loving, and perfect.
Who is Jesus?
Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity. As God th Son, He has always exsisted and never was created. He is fully God and fully man (the two natures joined, not mixed). As the second Person of the Trinity, He is coequal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. In becoming man, He was begotten Through the holy spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus is the only way to the Father, salvation , and eternal life. He died on a cross according to God's Plan, as full sacrifice and payment for our sins. He rose from the dead on the third day, spiritualy and physically immortal. For the next forty days He was seen by more than 500 eyewitnesses. His wounds were touched and He ate meals. He Physically ascended to Heaven. Jesus will come again visibly and physicaly at the end of the world to establish God's kingdom and judge the world.
Who is the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is God, the third person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is a person, not a force or energy field. He comforts, greives reproves, convicts, guides, teaches, and fills Christians. He is not the Father, nor is he the Son , Jesus Christ.
How to Be Saved.
Salvation is by God's grace, not by an individual's good works. alvation mut be receivedby faith. People must believe in their hearts that Jesus died for their sins and physically rose again, wich is the assurance of forgiveness and resurrection of the body. This is God's loving plan to forgive sinful people.
What Happen After Death.
Believers go to be with Jesus. after death, all people await the final Judgment. Both saved and lost people will be resurrected. those who are saved will with Jesus in Heaven. Those who are lost will suffer the torment of eternal seperation from God (Hell). Jesus' bodily resurrection guarantees believers that they, too, will be resurrected and receive new immortal bodies.
Other Facts, Beliefs, or Practices
Group worship, usually in churches. so secret rites. baptism and Lord's Supper (Communion). Active voluntary missionary efforts. Aid to those in need: the poor, widows, orphans, and downtrodden. Christians believe tht Jesus is the Jewish Messiah promised to Isreal in the Old Testament(tanakh). Jesus said His followers would be known by their love for one another.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 24, 2004 17:19:49 GMT -5
ISLAM
Key Person or Founder, Date, Location
Muhammad (570-632) is the final "seal" of many prophets sent by Allah (God). The Islamic calender began in ad 622, when Muhammad fled Mecca. Main Sects: Sunni, Shi'ite.
Key Writings
Qur'an (Koran) was revealed to muhammad by the angel Gabriel. The Biblical Law of Moses, Psalms of David, and the Gospel of Jesus (the Injil) are accepted in the Qur'an, but Muslim Scholars teach that Jews and Christians have corrupted these original revelations.
Who is God?
God (Allah) is One. The greatest sin in Islam is shirk, or associating anything with God. Many Muslims think that Christians believe in three gods and are therefore guilty of shirk. human attributes such as fatherhood cannot be asociated with God.
Who is Jesus?
Jesus (Isa in Arabi) is one of the most respected of over 124,000 prophets sent by Allah. jesus was sinless, born of a virgin, and a great miracle worker, but not the Son of God. His virgin birth is like Adam's creation. Jesus is not God, and God is not Jesus. He was not Crucified. Jesus not Muhammad, will return for a special role before the future judgment day, perhaps turning Christians to Islam.
Who is the Holy Spirit?
Allah has or is a Spirit. Muslims reject the biblical concept of the Trinity.
How to be Saved.
Humans are basically good, but fallible and need guidance. The blance between good and bad deeds determines eternal destiny in paradise or hell. Allah's mercy may tip the balances to heaven, as his will is supreme.
What Happens After Death.
Resurrection of bodies. Fear of eternal torment is a prevalant theme of the Qur'an. Paradise includes a garden populated with houris, maidens designed by Allah to provide sexual pleasures to righteous men.
Other Facts, Beliefs, or Practices.
Followers are called Muslims. Go to mosque for prayers, sermons, counsel. holy efforts spread Islam (jihad). Five pillars of Islam : Confess that Allah is the one true God and that muhammad is his prophet. Pray five times daily facing Mecca. Give alms (money). Fast during the month of Ramadan. Make pilrimage to Mecca(once in a lifetime).
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 25, 2004 6:36:53 GMT -5
Ryan,i just dont know how to express my appreciation to you for being so objective and expressing the exact knowledge about Islam on this board.but about paradise has sexual pleasures for man is not found in Quran.there will be good things but never says about sexuality.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 9:54:36 GMT -5
I copied that off a pamplet and ive heard that all my life. i do apologize if that is incorrect.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 10:10:47 GMT -5
Engin,
here is the scripture refering to Judahs death and the field bought. judah only hanged himself and the preists bought the field with the money.
Matthew 27:
3. Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4. Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
8. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
9. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
10. And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me
Give me another one. ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 25, 2004 10:22:18 GMT -5
no Ryan,im sorry but it doesnt make sense at all.he supposed to die in the field that he bought:)
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 25, 2004 10:24:48 GMT -5
if you read the beginnings of the acts you will see the inconsistant but you again see what you would like:)
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 10:34:48 GMT -5
Ok i found what you are talking about ill do some research and ill get back with you.
Acts 1:
16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 25, 2004 10:37:51 GMT -5
research for an answer to give me for a clear inconsistant?come on Ryan,i started to change my mind about you being objective:).one story says he purchased the field then die,other says he threw the money away and just hung himself when there was no field at all.so next time check everything well enough to ask me for next:)
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 25, 2004 10:43:10 GMT -5
but i give you next anyways to keep you busy:)in one of the source it points that John the baptised knew who Jesus was by calling him as the sheep of GOD,right?and at the other side its also written that John the baptised sends his disciples to ask Jesus if he was the one to supposed to come.so please explain me with an understandable explanation.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 11:02:19 GMT -5
John the baptist was human. Im sure he questioned it himself im sure he had doubts. His disciples didnt believe totally that he was God or messiah untill after he resurected. If Jesus claims to be the messiah wouldnt you want to be sure of it before you sacrifice your life for that fact? And if you think he isnt wouldnt you want to be sure of that also? (just foot note)  John the baptist if im not mistaken called Jesus out as the lamb of God. Point being Jesus wasnt the "self"-proclaimed sacrife messiah or Son of God. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 16:20:27 GMT -5
Engin,
so far the best answer i can give you is that when it refers to judahs buying the land in acts the answer is yes he did but not directly, the preists bought it with his money because they couldnt put blood money in the temple. and when it refers to him falling headlong that is refering to him hanging himself. Its the same account.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Nov 25, 2004 17:13:03 GMT -5
610? Muhammad declares himself to be Prophet of God, after claiming to receive divine revelation. He founds the religion of Islam. In 622 he is persecuted and flees (hegira) from his home in Mecca to the oasis of Medina. There he founds a Muslim community. In 630 he launches a military campaign and defeats his oppenents in Mecca. His teachings and deeds are called the Qur'an (Koran). By Muhammad's death in 632, Islam has spread to much of Arabia.
I hope you dont find offense to this but Jesus didnt go back to take over nazereth when they rejected him or Jeruselam, even when he was the rightful King of the throne of David and King of The Jews and High Priest of the Jews. And Jesus didnt make it a Self Proclaimation that he was the Lamb of God John the baptist made that statement when he went forth throughout Jerusalem baptising people and he saw the spirit of God decend upon Jesus.
632
Islam sweeps through Palestine and Syria. Muslims (those who follow Islam) conquer Jerusalem. By 640 Islam invades Egypt and north Africa, almost eradicating Christianity (wich had numbered more than one million believers). Three hundred years later very few Christians remain in the region.
Question?? Why did they Conquer Jerusalem??
The first crusade wasnt launched until
1097-99
The first crusade. More than 70,000 people INSPIRED BY NOBLE AND BY LESSER MOTIVES, join the ranks and head for the Holy Land. In their zeal they slaughter Jews in germany and pillage villages enroute. they capture Jerusalem in 1099 and brutally massacre their opponents. They set up the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem under Godfrey of Bouillon, and build castles and churches.
Though i do not agree in the manner that the crusaders handle the situation, the crusade didnt begin till 400 years after the Muslims attacked Jerusalem. And to that i ask why did they attack Jerusalem?
Islam wasnt established untill 610. Jerusalem did belong to God but not to the Islamic religion. Jerusalem was given to his people thousands of years before the idea of Islam ever came about.
Your curious cousin
Ryan
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 26, 2004 6:09:26 GMT -5
because GOD told them to establih the religion.same it was with David and Solomon.the mission of Jesus,and the type of his prophecy was different than some king type of prophets as Muhammed ( PEACE BE UPON HIM).and most of the people of Torah and Gospel at that time did broke their promises about the covenants for they were dishonest and they mostly deserved to be under control to become a good people rest of their lives.
about Judas,your explanation doesnt make any sense front of the truth.what is written is a clear prove but by creating ideas i can make you think that white s actually black but it wont make sense either.sorry cousin.
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Post by enginterzi on Nov 26, 2004 6:33:47 GMT -5
there are many things that you really dont know about Islam.first of all the word Islam has the meaning as PEACE.secondly,Muhammed fought against the people who didnt let them practice their religion and attacked on the Muslims.Muslims always felt themselves close to christians unless they were attacked by them.
when the protector of his own country was injured in the mosque and still was shooted even when he had nothing to defend himself anymore,the ones that shouting him was influenced by GOD or satan?when the prisoners were sexualy horrasted and humiliated,the ones that were doing this to them influenced by GOD or satan?or you think Jesus wouldnt have any problem with it?the wars that happenned in Afganistan and in Iraq only happened because of energy sources.Saddam is gone but people are still dying on front of their own families,own houses,and on their own land.just because they wanted to own their own land.even the water in red sea will not be enough of washing this blood.once pharaoh was stronger but this never made him right on GOD's eyes.at least pharaoh was saying the truth for the reasons of his crime and not finding lies about.
we all are friends,but we must be objective.when somebody is attacking on US in US,then he s a terrorist.ok i understand this.but when somebody is fighting against US in his own land because they dont want them in their land,he is still terrorist:).come on:).these are the men that Bush was promising to save them from Saddam.why would they want bush instead of saddam?saddam was killing less people.at least saddam was their own man.saddam was s a sick man,he needed to go but what happens right now is worser than that time.
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