To all Armwrestlers: What if.....

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

i was talking with another puiller yesterday. He mention forming some type of organization of armwrestlers. This group would be voted on by JUST US the ARMWRESTLERS, and they would represent us at National and World meetings for the betterment of the sport and for us, the armwrestlers. First issue should be to send us to 1 National and 1 World. I personally perfer U.S. to AAA( the Dave Patton rules of Armwrestling ) It came up in conversation about the thread on here called " someone should get fired ". It " appears " to me that " certain powers to be " DO NOT have our ( the armwrestlers ) best interest at heart.
Most Armwrestlers want Unification on the National level, and CERTAINLY on the World level. And "certain people in power " are stopping that from happening to line their pockets and to have control in this sport.
SO Why are we, the Armwrestlers, standing for this?

NOW we have 2 Worlds AGAIN, JESUS F###ING CHRIST. AAA following the USA around the country putting meets on the same day. NOW the W Armsport F putting on " their" Worlds in Japan next year same as W armwrestling F. WHEN DOES THIS STOP? ENOUGH!!!!!!!

We the Armwrestlers are the ONLY ones who have the power to stop this madness!!!!!!!
ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW TO STOP THIS MADNESS?

[simon]

Pursuant to my comments to Mr. Myers I agree, I hate to use this term but maybe it is time for an armwrestlers union of sorts.

I do not believe that everybody is taking advantage of us, there are great many people that work hard in support of this sport, having said that there is some unbelievably counterproductive actions and I do believe that there are many issues that only us the armwrestlers have the leverage and desire to resolve.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Simon, I don't believe that its everybody either, only certain powers to be. Also, its funny how you and Chris Myers were discussing the very same topic. Great minds think alike...:-)... I too don't like the word union. But its apparent that, using the same words again, sorry, certain "powers to be" are NOT in it for us, the Armwrestlers.
2 Worlds AGAIN. Its just a JOKE!!!
Right now the Olympics are a pipe dream, Hell fausball is a recognized F###ing " sport " by the funED IOC. Sorry to offend the Mentally challenged.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Hey did you see "RB" , Rob Bowen, put this thread on the AAA board. If Rob was at the meeting at AAA Nats in Columbia, he would have seen Dave trying and getting in some of his rule changes. Just more B.S. rules for the " cheaters ' to get away with. Or tried to get away with.

I didn't know people posted on the AAA Board anymore . BTW, I found out by a phone call.

[brzenk]

Yes…

Armwrestlers with a voice and backing of other armwrestlers to be able to act on opportunities with some strength.

The few people in established associations with history are not always acting on what’s best for the sport nor do they allow or involve more capable individuals than themselves…they would lose control.
The closed shop does make it a bit hard for new young capable individuals to contribute.

Christian….

AAA …they still exist?

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

John,

I guess so.
As long as they follow U.S. around and put their Tournements on the same day now.
I didn't know they still had a messageboard. I thought everyone is on here now! I had to get a call telling me about the post on their board. I don't go on it anymore.

BTW, does anyone know how many pullers showed up in Cincinnati for the Show of Strength qualifier?

[simon]

Christian I have seen this guy posting out there over the last 4 years always in the same light, does anyone actually know this guy RB?

Ron since you are reading here and decided rather than to engage in the discussion you will just take the comments out context and post them on AAA board to suit yourself. How about this, if you want to copy this and repost it then do the whole thing please. You appear to refer to the Unifieds as the second Nationals, I really do not think that the majority of armwrestlers see it that way any longer, there a very few people that will only compete in the AAA nationals, off of the top of my head I can only think of 4 individuals of note. I think that it is their loss that they are not out trying their hand against everybody possible. For the most part pullers are just that pullers and they will pull where ever can, they pull two nationals because there are two nationals, though I would venture to say that most people who really want to be considered the best at a certain weight want there to only be one nationals, certainly everybody may have their own opinion about which is the better nationals but that is not going to change the fact that there is two.

[leonard]

Look at the gains that USA has made in the last 3 years. In 2001 the AAA Nationals was considerably larger than the USA Unified Nationals. Granted the Unified that year was in the west and no one gets good numbers in the west for non cash nationals.
In 2002 AAA had its second best Nationals in Chicago hosted by Greg Wilson and the same year in Maryville Ill we came within 6 entries of the same result. In 2003 AAA stopped posting numbers of its nationals but by all accounts our 309 in Little Rock was considerably bigger. Again in 2004 no numbers from AAA but our 306
was larger than AAA’s. This was with the “last qualifier for GNC” on the same day and time.
If you had predicted this 6 or 7 years ago, you would have been told “quit dreaming”.
The USA is not perfect and we are working hard to make needed changes.
Anyone who promotes tournaments is invited to join USA and you pay no dues to join. Contact me at 1-406-245-1560 for paperwork or email me at [e-mail]. We do not prohibit you from being members of other organizations.

[simon]

Thanks for the compliment Christian, I'll take that company any time.

You guys know what happens when you try to control a force larger than yourself, you eventually need to either give them everything they want or they are going to start taking it.

[Steven Lareau]

So how did the International Armwrestling Federation get started? Is this a branch off of the US....or the AAA? Forgive my ignorance here, please.

[leonard]

The IAF is one of the three founding members of the USA. ;D

[Todd Coe]

Hi, Leonard my name is Todd Coe, I'm a no name in the sport of armwrestling. "I just love to pull", and all that is wrong in armwrestling can not be blammed on Karen and Frank. Nobody said they were perfect but I call them friends and they have always helped me when I need it. They will travel at thier own expense to help you put on a tournament and will always take time to talk to you if you ask and thier are other people who are out to make a buck on the armwrestler. Also from what I remember about the little rock unifieds last year many of the pullers there were also at the AAA nationals. And Last december at the Florida States hosted by Greg Helms, Karen talked excitedly about the first unified worlds in Japan and about the possiblity of finally taking the best american team possible. So what I'm trying to say is let he who is without sin cast the first stone. If anybody has questions or you just want to talk to me personelly you can call me at home after 8pm eastern at 229-995-2781. I would like to say I'm not blamming anybody. I also agree with the armwrestlers becoming a unified body of people not just an organization.

[Steven Lareau]

Thank you for that clarification, Leonard. ;D

[Chris Coletti]

And Todd ;D How come everytime there is a complaint...I don't care if it is about the weather! Some people find it necessary to vent about the individual US groups. Karen is not..I repeat not the reason it is raining!
In life you will find people that no matter how you explain and over explain they are convinced 100% that 2 + 2 = 5. It is at this time that you have to just cut the conversation and go on your way. You will never get them to believe that the answer is simple, they have to overcomplicate the issue and put emotion into a logical answer. Which group was first? Why did the second group get formed? Which one is legit? Upon answering these simple questions you can form a correct answer.

The answer to these are debated but somewhere there has to be a written record. It was not that long ago.


The answer is 4!!!!

[Travis Bagent]

I would like to add my two cents on the whole story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First to Christian, I think that a Armwrestler Union (so to speak) would be a good idea..... Hell I'll be the president..
Please make know mistake about it, both organizations are in it for the money.... Both are not very successful by my standards, "But, I do have high standards" but to there own standards, they are O.K. So the answer is they do not now, nor have they ever had the armwrestlers best interest in mind.. All they want is to have as many pullers paying ertry-fees as possible.. Ofcourse they will come help do brackets, they add to there mailing list and get some face time to promote there Nationals......

Finally, There is some good news, soon there will be just one organization, and I hope that the USA starts to liston to the Armwrestlers and some changes are made.....
Now why do I think that the other organization is DONE:
First and foremost: Like me they cannot SPELL, Since when is AAA spelled: "THAT B***H CAN'T BE SERIOUS"
Because for the past 2 years that is what I always here when someone mentions the AAA.........
I must admit that I use the word B***H entirely to much in my everyday life, so it should not be taken sooo bad...
But seriously They are sinking everyday,
The Nationals was terrible. attendance that was...
The Date was on the date of the Tahoe on purpose.
The North American Championship date was on purpose and the Attendance was a JOKE, and everyone at the Unified was laughing and mentioning that same phrase "That B***H CAN"T BE SERIOUS"
So trust me they are all but DONE......

Todd and Colletti - You will soon see what 90% of the rest of the US pullers see...

P.S. I to I'm in it for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ soon I will be RICH from your LABOR...........................


THE KING, and the OVERALL 2004 Zloty Tour CUP Overall Champion