Unofficial Religion/Everything Argument Thread

[josephsirois]

I love the United States, just not a lot of our government's current policies.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Which ones?

[simon]

Why the religious ones of course… ;D

[josephsirois]

Like the one where we'll go to war against a country when not backed by the UN, causing a rift between the United States and the rest of the world.

Or the one where our laxed policies on pollution control slowly terraforms our environment.

Or the one where the majority of tax cuts go to the highest 1% of our population.

Or the one where there are only two political parties represented during the time of the presidential elections. Yes, I know other parties are allowed to "partisipate", but that's virtually all they are doing. Nader wasn't even allowed to debate with Bush or Kerry.

Or the one where political corruption by the influence of corporations undermines the integrity of Congress, The President, and anyone else with political swagger.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Where in our Constitution does it say we need the u.n. to protect our own citizens? What rift? The rift with France, Germany, Russia ,and China? Or the rift between the 30 some odd Countries that are allies in this UNFORTUANTE War, whether they help with troops or aid?

REMEMBER DOMESTIC policies are NOT passed by the President, BUT by the House and Senate. So vote out your House of Rep. or your Senator!!!!!!!

Why shouldn't the people who pay the MOST taxes get the biggest breaks? Is it their fault that they make more money then most? Why should their hard earned money get taxed the most?

AGREE on the 2 party system

Political corruption runs the spectrum of politics: from local to National, from party to party..BOY Clinton had one hell of a swagger.

So far you mentioned only 1 policy: Environmental : not sure on who over the last 100 years or so is at fault here. Being its a domestic policy and the House ( ? ) and Senate ( mostly ) have been controlled mainly over the last 50 years by Democrats...WELL?

[josephsirois]

Glad we have a few things we can talk about!

When it comes to taxes, I just want everyone to be taxed by the same % of their income, if that's how the system is going to work. I think idealy though, people should be taxed on how much they consume, but that'll never happen.

The rift between our country and others could be debated all day. Though it is a bit unsettling to me the distance between our country and China. China will be the next Superpower, their economy will rival ours by 2020.

When it comes to the environment, I have a little experience on how bad it is. My parents both work for one of the world's largest semi-condutors and the stuff the company is allowed to get away with is insane, Sadly, they are both being outsourced another policy I'm not too fond of. I can't really go into specifics though because there is a huge lawsuit pending.

Ultimately, though, I hate all politics, lol. I'm not affiliated with any party and hopefully never will be. I'm also pretty terrible at relaying facts.

[simon]

Moving this from the President in 08 thread:

I also believe we need to get more morality back in our country we just need to be careful where we get it from and who gets to decide what proper morality is. I have often said that you cannot legislate morality, and right and wrong is purely indicative of who you are talking to, so we will have to settle on things that the majority of America would actually have to vote appropriate to make laws for or against, predicated upon the logic that we are only voting on items that realistically can, do, or may hurt others beyond the person taking part in the act. “My rights end where yours begin” As an example, Gay Marriage; marriage is not a sacred institution, this is bunch of hog wash, frankly the religions of the world saw a good business opportunity, two things continue to happen in this world, people continue to get married and children continue to be born, hence why they have gotten in on both gigs.

I am ok with gay marriages, to quote Chris Rock “ gay people have the right to be as miserable as everyone else” jk, seriously two gay people getting married is not going to harm anyone else, so no one has any business legislating this issue, oddly enough I have had this conversation in some political chat rooms and, some of those that are for gay marriage, stop agreeing with me when I say that I think it is ok for 3 women to all marry each other or 1 man two women or 2 men 1 woman as long as they are all consenting adults, I say this because this process does not harm anyone else outside of potentially those people. Further I would add that these multiple partner marriages would have to knowingly accept some limitations, meaning you cannot force the government or private industry to expend more money than the average common married couple gets in order to accommodate your choice. If one spouse dies the remaining two should have to split his benefits, they don’t get twice as much, if a medical insurance company refuses to provide coverage for the second wife, well they are private industry you cannot force them to do it. This does tread a bit on the protected classes laws, but I am sure it could be worked out, considering the insurance company is not unwilling to grant you insurance based upon your orientation they simply have limitations against the amount of people available to be covered under one plan. i.e. plan A covers an adult and their adult spouse plus 2 children, not 3 or 4 children just 2, so if you have more kids you have to go to plan B at a higher cost. Etc.

[Tony Carpenter]

It's funny when people talk about the sactity of marriage and yet Celebrities don't get mentioned for the crap they pull.

[Ryan Thames]

Simon i think you been drink water shipped from ;D Utah

[simon]

No not likely though I did have a Coke yesterday....

Your religious beliefs certainly prevent you from considering a multiple person marriage, and I understand that…. my sanity prevents me considering a multiple marriage for myself, I have one wife and that frankly is enough.

Do you know the history behind why the Mormons originally had multiple wives? Certainly the people that I have seen that are practicing it now under the guise of the Mormon religion have perverted into something ridiculous but there is a viable and somewhat understandable reason it came to exist in the first place.

[Ryan Thames]

The initial reason is becuase Joseph Smith had a problem being faithful to his wife, and she ddint like that too much. So becuase he was forming his own religion he made it ok, no rules when your making your own religion. In fact he made it a requirement in order to become a god you must practice polygamy. In the after life (according to mormons) you either become a god who has multiple wives and constanly has celestial babies and the women constantly stay pregnant for eternity, or you are a eunich and must serve the Gods while never having sex for the rest of eternity. And he also made it to where the man is the one who calls his wife or wives from the dead after the ressurrection so that the women wouldnt complain. Imagine if you were a wife there would be alot of pressure on you to serve the husband correctly for fear that he might not raise you up.

I thank God my salvation is not in the hands of men or women.

[simon]

Religious historians (not Mormons or any other religious sect) but general religious historians (scientists) have stated that, during the periods of domestic war and the migration west many Mormon men were killed, being of a very small and budding religion they were faced with several significant problems, one, a great deal of widows, families left with no male parent to run them, two, women could not own property so there were concerns over who would get the property and how they were going to be able to continue to buy more if needed, and three mathematically their numbers were so low that their religion was in danger of dying out. Here comes the solution, the remaining or returning men took possession of the widowed wives and their families, as well as the lands they owned, by taking multiple wives the property issue was solved, continuing to procreate they were able to grow their numbers and insure their religion would continue.

Obviously Mr. Smith could not just come right and say this, so the command from god to take multiple wives was invented.

[Ryan Thames]

Many mormon men were killed becuase they sacrificed them in there temples.

Blood atonement covenant doctrine written by Joseph Smith.

[josephsirois]

Ryan, some good news. My friend got un-engaged to the Mormon girl. Still stinks that I won't be able to attend the wedding and get blitzed though.

[josephsirois]

Not saying I'm glad with the break up because of her beliefs, but because she is a nut bag, lol.