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Post by simon on Feb 8, 2005 15:31:51 GMT -5
I know there are states out there with some bizarre laws on the books and some that really make no practical sense not to mention those that infringe upon our personal freedoms, I was just curious what laws you would like to see changed. Oh and I am wondering should federal law be the only law across the country and state and local laws cease to exist? Sure there is law in Florida that says you cannot tie an alligator to a fire hydrant and that does not really apply to the rest of the country but the vast majority of laws are applicable to almost the entire country in this day and age.
I should not have to wear a helmet when I ride, me not wearing a helmet will hurt no one but myself.
I should not have to wear a seatbelt when I drive, no one but me will get hurt if I do not. ( I have been in two big car accidents and in both if I had been wearing a seatbelt I would be dead)
Minors should have to wear a seatbelt and or a helmets until they are legal adults, in California they are trying to up the child restraint law to 8 years and 80 lbs, there are some full grown women in this country that are not 80 lbs.
If a stranger has broken into or illegally gained access to my physical dwelling, all rooms and garage included, I should be able to kill him regardless of the circumstances without myself being charged or put on trial to try and figure out his intent and or if I was justified in my actions.
All adult citizens that can pass a written and shooting test should be allowed to carry a concealed handgun in public. (Some limitations for violent and physical crime offenders should be put in place).
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Post by josephsirois on Feb 8, 2005 15:42:04 GMT -5
I'm all for legalizing marijuana, and no, I don't smoke it.
Like Simon, I agree all adult citizens should have the right to a CWP lisence. A few of my friends have this though, and I really wish they had a better way of testing.
I still question how someone can be drafted to die for his country, yet still not legally be able to cosume alcoholic beverages. I believe drinking, voting, and being drafted should all be the same age requirement.
Florida law states in oder to ride without a helmet, you have to have 10 grand of health insurance and you must wear glasses. Only part I agree on in the glasses, because that can be a hazard to other motorists if the rider is temporarily blinded and the bike crashes into traffic.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Feb 8, 2005 16:00:30 GMT -5
Simon, I agree with the not having to wearing a seat belt rule for the most part. There are times though that even though the physical harm is only to us, the emotional harm to our families is not considered. For example my girlfriends father refuses to wear his seat belt. Last winter they got into an accident and he was almost killed. My girlfriend, her mother, and her two brothers were a wreck for the days that he was in the hospital.
Also I believe that a person shouldn't be able to smoke in a public area. Because you are affecting others by the second hand smoke. It's also irrisponsible to those who are illergic to it. My mom is and she has to avoid areas of the public because of the smoke in the air will kill her. On the flip-side you do have the right to smoke in your house, as long as your taking into consideration the other people that also dwell in that residence.
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Post by simon on Feb 8, 2005 16:42:56 GMT -5
Joseph wearing goggles to prevent being blinded makes sense.
Certainly agree on the set age for a legal adult.
Pot well I have never used it so it is hard for me to gauge its effect on people, but I would lean toward legalizing it having the government grow it mix it with tobacco and tax the hell out of it like cigarettes and alcohol, then put stiff fines for anyone caught using or selling contraband versions of pot. No jail time for users though just house arrest that they pay for and some whopping fines.
I see the seatbelt law as being one that the family has to work on internally, getting him to wear the seatbelt because they are concerned for his well being is not any different than trying to convince him to stop smoking for the same reason, I really don't see it as something that needs to legislated though.
Smoking is a tough one, I think any business owner has the right to say there is no smoking or smoking is allowed on his physical property without concern for anyone else’s opinion. If you do not want to work in smoke go find another job, if you do not want to eat or drink in smoke go somewhere else.
Public places such as what? The park, the sidewalk, public buildings, public transportation, airports?
I guess any public property where a person may find an occasion to be forced to go, a courthouse, the airport, etc should be banned from smoking, that seems logical. Here in Ca they were working on a measure that you could not smoke in your own backyard if you lived within x feet of another dwelling.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Feb 8, 2005 23:45:59 GMT -5
There's one problem that I see with the "If it doesn't hurt others, then it's ok". Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that make Steriods legal.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 9, 2005 0:19:00 GMT -5
I agree with the helmet law. This woman over here placed that into effect. bikers from all over the were highly ticked and rallyed against i dont know if it did any good though. Personally i cant see someone driving down the and looking over at the biker and saying "oh my lord that man is dangerous he doesnt have a helmet im going to die." thats funed. I voted for Bobby Jindal. dagum woman! wearing a helmet totally messes up the dangerous guy groove for the ladies and i think she messed that up . Besides i have a big head i just look too great in a helmet if i can even find one to fit my head.
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Post by simon on Feb 9, 2005 11:39:42 GMT -5
Tony this gets into the area of drug policy, and the logic that if something is proven to be bad for you then your government has the right to ban it to protect you. I do not think the government has a leg to stand on here, because alcohol and cigarettes are both bad for you but they don’t ban them, infinitely more children die of drowning in backyard swimming pools a year than have died from a handgun in the last 5 years yet I don’t know of state that has banned swimming pools.
Steroids were originally banned because they were harmful to people, however such is not the case with all of the things the government is banning now under the guise of steroid policy. The vast majority of the items that went on the banned list in January 05 and many from several years prior have never been shown to be harmful or killed anyone. I am not sure how the government justifies their actions, it started off as a policy to eliminate harmful drugs and turned into a policy of fair play? What does the government have to do with fair play and why? How do they determine where to draw the line? There are perfectly legal supplements in the market still today that make claims with available testing (in as much as you could believe any of the testing results) of strength and weight gain far exceeding claims or results from items that were just banned. So it is not a fair play policy, it is not a harmful to your health policy so what is it? Guilty by association policy, i.e. “well that particular chemical compound is close enough to something we have already banned so go ahead and ban that one too”.
I say if it does not really harm anyone but you it should probably be legal, controlled but legal.
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Post by josephsirois on Feb 9, 2005 11:43:50 GMT -5
Simon, it's the FDA, they run the show.
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Post by simon on Feb 9, 2005 11:57:52 GMT -5
Of course that is correct they claim to, when I say the government that is naturally who I mean.
This same group, allows ill tested mass market medications to get into the system at ridiculously high prices, but when they kill people they do not go out and remove every item just like them or of a similar chemical composition.
They prevent medications that are internationally proven to work for serious health issues from becoming available to US citizens dying from illness. They block all attempts to find alternative sources for more inexpensive and historically proven drugs.
All of this allegedly to protect consumers and yet then they allowed the homeopathic and dietary supplement laws to come to fruition. Which basically mean that people can claim anything they want as long as they do not claim the FDA has accredited their findings or that the item cures anything, which is just a license for companies to sell snake oil.
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Post by josephsirois on Feb 9, 2005 12:00:34 GMT -5
I read a book not long that was about how the FDA and FTC are pretty much doing eveything in their power to keep Americans sick, sad as it is. I wish I had retained enough to contribute more, but I'll have to re-read it.
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Post by Scott Latella on Feb 9, 2005 15:32:43 GMT -5
I think Simon should have to wear a seatbelt because this board would suffer without him.
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Feb 9, 2005 16:14:43 GMT -5
Deffinately
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Post by simon on Feb 9, 2005 16:51:37 GMT -5
Too kind, gentlemen, for the first time because of the board I feel as though I am something more than just the most opinionated person known to mankind, I am very deeply touched.... Thank you. I do feel bad though because I do not hardly post on the main board any longer, and I think some people take the position that to speak their mind, or to oppose me means I will or may beat them up on here, I am sorry that is not my intention. I was once told that I am responsible for ending more posting threads than anyone on the net, because people do not want me to respond to what they post, again I am sorry, please I really want to hear what people think about things, that is why I am on here, it is not just so I can have someone agree with me, hell I have building full of people that have to agree with me everyday all day long. This off topic subjects have gotten a bit crazy at times but I think we have all come through it ok, the most vocal of us are not threatening to kill each other or anything.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 9, 2005 17:12:05 GMT -5
I aint skeered simon ;D
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Post by simon on Feb 9, 2005 17:25:18 GMT -5
I know you aint.....
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me—Psalms 23:4.
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