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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 11:38:18 GMT -5
......... along with the greatest commandment of all - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This above all you seem to need serious "schooling" ........ Funny you should say that i need schooling in this area? Thats not the greatest commandment ;D Matthew 22: 34. But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. But if it were the greatest commandment i am following it. because I WANT people to point out the error in my ways and beliefs. Problem is noone can do that apart from the bible. You guys have only been bringing out OPINOIN. ......MANS OPINOIN MEANS NOTHING. Tell me what God says. Rebuke me According to II Timothy 4:2 II Tim 2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 11:42:16 GMT -5
I said it produces more milk and honey than america never said anything about india. or any other country.
The bible doesnt say that it will produce more it just simply states that it is a land flowing with milk and honey.
The idea that isreal produces 5 times more milk and honey is a statistic i heard AND CAN BE WRONG. I dont deny that possibility at all.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 11:44:28 GMT -5
If you are given many different theories in class to discuss then what? You get to choose which theory you choose to believe and follow? Precisely my point! Thank you! We discuss certain doctrines and percieve them according to the rest of scripture IF IT IS NOT CLEAR than it is open to personal interpretation. But a statment such as "I AM THE TRUTH THE LIFE AND THE WAY" is pretty clear and CANNOT be contested, and is not open for personal interpretation. Thus making it a DOGMATIC DOCTRINE.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 9, 2005 11:54:45 GMT -5
I said it produces more milk and honey than america never said anything about india. or any other country. The bible doesnt say that it will produce more it just simply states that it is a land flowing with milk and honey. The idea that isreal produces 5 times more milk and honey is a statistic i heard AND CAN BE WRONG. I dont deny that possibility at all. "The bible calls Isreal the land flowing with milk and honey. Isreal today, a country the size of new jersy, produces five times more milk and honey than the entire United States" FYI - Top 5 milk producing countries (India is expected to be number one within the next few years as it "cleans" up its production) United States 83 million tons India 38 million tons Russia 36 million tons Germany 31 million tons France 27 million tons SOURCE: FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION Now, tell me Ryan how do you interpret The bible doesnt say that it will produce more it just simply states that it is a land flowing with milk and honey. If the Bible says it's a land flowing with milk and honey does that mean literally? Spiritually? Philosophically? We've already established it doesn't mean literally so exact translation isn't accurate is it? Therefore, point proven of exactly what I was saying. You cannot take the Bible 100% verbatim on every single thing that is said in it.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 12:06:34 GMT -5
The Bible is 100% accurate. Your missing the point. Just because I was wrong (Oh My )according to your source doesnt mean that Isreal isnt a land flowing with milk and honey. When i stated that Isreal produces more milk than america I was qouting a statistic i heard TWO years ago. I WAS NOT QOUTING THE BIBLE. Forgive me, ill try harder to be more on key with the scriptures. No more attempts to not talk about the bible.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 9, 2005 12:12:29 GMT -5
The Bible is 100% accurate. Your missing the point. Just because I was wrong (Oh My )according to your source doesnt mean that Isreal isnt a land flowing with milk and honey. When i stated that Isreal produces more milk than america I was qouting a statistic i heard TWO years ago. I WAS NOT QOUTING THE BIBLE. Forgive me, ill try harder to be more on key with the scriptures. No more attempts to not talk about the bible. Ryan if the Bible is 100% accurate then Israel would be "flowing with milk and honey" wouldn't it?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 12:16:02 GMT -5
Is it not?
Just because it isnt in the top 5?
If it had just a lil bit of milk and honey at that particular time. It was more flowing than the desert they were in? right?
Isreal has gone through famines and rough times because of there disobedience to God.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 9, 2005 12:33:37 GMT -5
The land of milk and honey was God's description of Canaan. This is a metaphor Ryan meaning the land has all good things - it's the Promised Land. It does not mean that the land is literally full of milk and honey!
Therefore, LITERALLY, the Bible is not always 100% accurate. It is open to INTERPRETATION! Yours, mine, and others! Your interpretation and my interpretation may be different but yours is not right and mine wrong or vice versa.
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Post by Jeremy Plaster on Apr 9, 2005 12:48:42 GMT -5
That isnt a weird or amazing fact. It's well known and well talked about. I have never once met you Ryan and I already dont like you and probably never will. You are an arrogant infintile that turns EVERYTHING into an insult to someone. Why on earth you would want to be an armwrestler that is known for NOTHING more than being an insulting punk is beyond me. grow up. I wish I had Karen's ability to word this in a more civil way, but I have been through that with you already. You pick at Bill in purpose and its out there where everyone with a brain can see it. Why? Why do you deem it your responsibility to make his coming to the board to talk a bad time for him? You will never be respected be people Ryan. People dont respect people like you. They simply tollorate them. Soon you will lose people's tollorance as well.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 14:33:16 GMT -5
I never called Bill out i dont "pick" on him. He is the one throwing out personal insults.
I dont really care to be "known" as an armwrestler. Im not here to glorify myself.
Karen whether you want to interpret it literally or metaphorically it still doesnt prove that you cant trust the bible to be 100% accurate.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Apr 9, 2005 15:31:40 GMT -5
I agree with Ryan here (did I just say that?), I don't feel he is picking on me, per se. I feel he has attacked my faith. If he feels insulted, that is fine with me because I too feel insulted.
As for him not being here to glorify himself, I don't agree with that. My feeling is that he is in desperate need of attention. Though I feel his intent is correct, I feel his approach is wrong.
He has misconceptions about my faith and tries to "expose" them as misconceptions. I don't (intentionally) ram my beliefs or concepts down anyone's throat. If I have, then I sincerely apologize. My beef has been that Ryan tries to ram misconceptions about my faith down others throats which would leave a bad taste about my faith. He does not seem to get it though and probably never will.
For some reason, Ryan always feels as though I am threatening. I am not. Anyone who knows me knows that I am not like that.
Olin and Karen both made great points. Will he get them...I doubt it. They will just be new points and people to argue/discuss with.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 9, 2005 15:42:45 GMT -5
Is that a fact or simply Bill Maenza's translation biased of opinoin? Im trying to work with facts here Bill This IS calling Bill out. Ryan YOU stated "the Bible says Israel is a land flowing with milk and honey" Now Israel's land does not have milk and honey flowing all over it. This is fact Ryan. Trust me on this one - I've been to Israel and you don't have to step over the milk and honey that's flowing down the street. Now, since milk and honey does NOT flow in Israel - the Bible meant this as a metaphor. Plain, simple, no doubt. This you cannot argue against Ryan. Therefore, if you read the words EXACTLY as they are written in the Bible, it is not true. Thus, you cannot take the Bible to be 100% accurate in everything that is written in it. YOU, Ryan are the one that comes on here post after post after post quoting the Bible verbatim! You use scriptures to try to prove that your way of believing is the only way and any other religious faction is wrong. Now I have proven without any doubt whatsoever that the Bible is NOT 100%, no questions asked, no room for doubt accurate in every single scripture that's in it. Wake up - smell the coffee - learn to admit that it's not ALWAYS only YOUR way! If nothing else you have to admit - the Bible was written by human beings, human error does exist, therefore humans may have erred in their writings. Ignoring this to be true and factual leaves you out in the middle of the lake without a paddle in any discussions whatsoever.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Apr 9, 2005 16:57:56 GMT -5
Karen, Pete Milano has coined the phrase " like storming the short bus and beating up the kid with a football helmet on "
it clearly applies to Ryan.... Ryan has taken his ferver for the Lord ( a good thing )and applied it to the wrong avenues and gets the wrong effects ( a bad thing ). He mistakenly thinks that any attack on him could not be well founded and that if he defends it to the end he is being a good little martyr. He thinks that his way is the only way and the word is not up to any other interpetation than his his.....sad....very sad .... Ryan turns more people sick to the Lord than he ever brought to Him. I have had many conversations and really tried to help him. Now I am civil , polite , and just run away and pray for him. He is not likely to ever get it .....and will clearly be sucked up in to some cult where they do horrible things in the beleif they know best what God wants. Good luck if you decide to continue to beat you head against the wall ( notice how you supported your case with facts and it did not matter ? it never will)
Christopher Myers
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Post by Christopher Myers on Apr 9, 2005 17:02:29 GMT -5
No what this thread was supposed to be before Ryan ruined it as he always does weird and amazing facts. here are two
1. there is only one mammel to lay eggs do you know what it is
2. Ryan is not geneticly capable of not talking about God
( Duckbill Platypus )
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 17:38:49 GMT -5
Karen, My personal opinoin. And i truly mean this with no disrespect, but that was a horrible argument. For the record.............i have been involved in a cult. You wouldnt consider it a cult. You would think its a regular average church doing no harm. But it was that experience that helped me understand the truth of the gospel of Christ. How God showed me how wrong I had it. And how wrong the world percieves it. Am i saying im the only one with this "revealation"? NO.... there are many out there who understand the true message of the cross and therefore can identify a cult. A cult is not a lil group of people walking around wearing hooded robes. Its a church or group of people who teach false doctrine for money and power. how many churchs on TV can you see doing that? This is one reason i am so persistant in "preaching" against cults and false religious beliefs. I only try to state facts and let you come to your own conclusion. But people get all mad at me. I didnt invent the facts just pointed them out. Maybe i do go about it the wrong way. I pray God shows me that.
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