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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 23, 2012 8:10:33 GMT -5
Oh, one last thing before I leave y'all be... If attacking another viewpoint is a weakness, then Ryan and a few other people need to reevaluate themselves.. Just saying Why you callin me out buttface? I don't attack others view point. I simply point out how stupid it is. ^ that was a joke We are here having friendly discussion/ debate. If you come on here be prepared to be offended. You don't have the right not to be. If you can't talk with the adults don't butt in the conversation.  This is directed to ALL who click on that button. |
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 23, 2012 8:18:10 GMT -5
Your belief is that of something you ve never seen, but have been taught to except from a young age. Now, this is a good argument. But you're still mixing in religion. And I agree with your premise. Any religious person ought to be able to say why they believe- but it's a faith issue. It can't be debated. So, are you wanting to talk religion, or God? |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 23, 2012 8:31:58 GMT -5
In my walk with God I am still peeling away the nonsense that "I was taught to believe" about religion and about God. In the last year or two I have probably had greater revelation to who He really is and the pure meaning of the gospel.
God is stripping away violently the judgementalness I once had towards people's actions. Meaning certain things people do that religion deems right or wrong. God has been showing me "what does that really matter"
Do not mistake this statement for repentance of judgement towards other religions. I have come to realize that I have in the past looked at certain things with prejudice because society says its unfavorable behavior. Because a republican molded Christianity has infiltrated the church and is a disgusting farce. Where it is the church that should be infiltrating the republican party. This republican molded Christianity teaches us that certain things are evil and you have the right and responsibility to intervene in the lives of others and that is simply wrong.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 23, 2012 8:37:48 GMT -5
If a country wants to be predominantly muslim and rule on a theocracy.... Let them be.
If a man wants to marry multiple women or even another man (barf).... Who's business is that of mine?
If a man wants to toke up the mayjwanna... Who's business is that of mine?
So long as the things you do don't infringe upon the rights of others you should be free to do as you please.
However... I still have the right to my opinion about your belief system just as you have the right to your opinion.
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 23, 2012 8:47:00 GMT -5
Shut up Ryan you big dummy LOL
I don't get offended cus I could care less either way, plus I'm too busy worrying about Obama care.. Sometimes this does get out of of control and not so friendly.
OK, really done now.
Bigot
LOL
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 23, 2012 9:35:10 GMT -5
I didn't come here to make friends with everyone.
And yes the government situation has got a lot of people uneasy right now. And rightfully so.
Guys we can debate religion all we want. But if we don't stand together when it comes time to defend that right to debate religion.... We will lose everything else.
This time is ever present. For now we really need to put aside our political and religious views. (meaning don't let our differences prevent us from standing together)
We MUST keep a watchful eye on this government. They are watching us.
Notice the closer we get to auditing the federal reserve the more evidence there is that there will be a major economic collapse.
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Post by Chris Gobby on Aug 23, 2012 10:30:08 GMT -5
@ John- you are very intelligent and quite fair. My answer to you is that i honestly have no clue how creation of life happened, nor do I have a hunger to seek the answer. But the possibility of divine intervention seems the most implausible to me. Everything i see regarding all religions (Buddhism possible an exception), emphasizes on principles that were fabricated to cater to man and his biggest fears (mortality). I beleive man in general needs answers to ease his fears regarding his mortality. Religions use this as well as too steer man towards morality.. In the "heaven $ hell" deal.
Mans biggest strength is his intelligence. His biggest weakness is irrational & rational fear. Religion provides the powerfull control of the weaker.
No clue how it all started. Don't really care, it has nothing to do with my limited exsistence. I'm certain when my body gives out, I ll be worm food. Nothing more nothing less. My spirituality & belief is to love your family, appreviate life and strive to be a good man.. Because this ride ends quick.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 23, 2012 11:36:45 GMT -5
Chris, I agree with 90% of what you believe. Religion has been used in awful ways by awful people, for exactly the reasons you say it has. No argument here. But in my own experience, that is Man's use of religion. His use of it doesn't negate the truth it was founded on. I say truth, because in my life it really is truth- it's not something I blindly believe in. I came from where you are and ended up with what I believe now.
I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I'm just here to discuss and and share own thoughts and experience.
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Post by Chris Gobby on Aug 23, 2012 12:17:07 GMT -5
Very well said John. I agree.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Aug 28, 2012 14:00:57 GMT -5
Good last couple pages!
John, just out of curiosity, can you elaborate on how in your life it really is truth?
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Post by Bob Paradis on Oct 2, 2012 16:11:36 GMT -5
Chris, I agree with 90% of what you believe. Religion has been used in awful ways by awful people, for exactly the reasons you say it has. No argument here. But in my own experience, that is Man's use of religion. His use of it doesn't negate the truth it was founded on. I say truth, because in my life it really is truth- it's not something I blindly believe in. I came from where you are and ended up with what I believe now. I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I'm just here to discuss and and share own thoughts and experience. Ditto to everything. In the last 335 pages, a few of us have shared the personal details of our lives. Because of my life, I am sure there is a God. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Oct 2, 2012 17:15:46 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Michael Wells on Oct 3, 2012 16:30:38 GMT -5
He's just revealed Himself in my life like never before. Although if always "believed", I've also always had doubts and questions. I now do not doubt. There is no way that coincidence or the alignment of the moon and Uranus could have worked in my family's life in the way He did. He said "I am" and well, He IS
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Post by kyledarby on Nov 11, 2012 11:20:08 GMT -5
Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.
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Post by John Shipes on Dec 4, 2012 6:15:29 GMT -5
Who is God?
According to Christianity, God is the self-existent One, having no need of being created, since He has existed forever and is the cause of all things, including the dimension of time, to which He is not subject (see If God Created Everything, Who Created God?). Likewise, God is not subject to the physical creation, but is spiritual in nature, residing in the spiritual dimensions of heaven. God's power over the physical creation is absolute, such that He can manipulate matter, energy, space, and time at will. For this reason, God is said to be all powerful—able to accomplish any possible task He wills to do. Along with being all powerful, God is also all knowing—having knowledge of all things that are possible to be known, including the entire history of the universe—past, present, and future. Because God is all powerful (omnipotent) and all knowing (omniscient), He is also able to be present at all places at all times (omnipresent). God is also all loving—according to the Bible, "God is love" (1 John 4:16). The love of God prompted Him to create human beings in His image, in order to share His love with us. The Christian scriptures say that we can fulfill the entire law of God by loving Him and loving our fellow human beings (Matthew 22:37-40). God is absolutely holy—without any moral or character defect. In fact, the Bible says that God is incapable of doing any evil, despite being all powerful. God is unchangeable. In other words, He does not change any of His attributes or character at any time. Despite humanity's tendency to change its definition of morality, God's moral character does not evolve with the times, but remains constant.
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