John Shipes
Bronze Member
Ogden,UT/ Riverton, WY
Posts: 209
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Post by John Shipes on Jul 25, 2013 20:01:28 GMT -5
agree with you that. gay lifestyle is no good as sick in their minds, lebains /differents and the same who person sex with aminal in Sodom and Gomorrah in History and the bible. they are very sick their brains. it's terrible bad. gross and suck. I resist them as avoid them,too.
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Post by Michael Wells on Jul 26, 2013 18:18:53 GMT -5
Spellcheck is awesome. Lol
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Post by Michael Creason on Aug 13, 2013 21:09:10 GMT -5
agree with you that. gay lifestyle is no good as sick in their minds, lebains /differents and the same who person sex with aminal in Sodom and Gomorrah in History and the bible. they are very sick their brains. it's terrible bad. gross and suck. I resist them as avoid them,too. LOL, gay is synonymous with the lesser as are other words that demoralize and tear people down. Fear is where your words and thoughts come from and in Gods eyes there is no room for it. To compare a homosexual to someone having sex with animals, really? FEAR, FEAR, FEAR. I am a Veteran Sergeant of the United States Marine Corps and I fought for all Americans gay and straight. Base your thought process on Love as this is the only place that will truley set your soul free. |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 14, 2013 17:46:21 GMT -5
proverbs 1 verse 7 The fear of the lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction  |
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 14, 2013 18:06:18 GMT -5
1 John 4 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
John 13 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1 Peter 3 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
None of this implies that sin is not sin, only that we know what sin is in order to convict ourselves. As to each other, Jesus was clear. We are to love one another. Our own salvation is not based on our condemnation of others. It is right to know sin and to recognize it, so that we ourselves do not fall into it. But pointing out the sin in others is not the point.
The whole "mote in your own eye" thing.
Love others, as I have loved you. That's pretty clear. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
If you have ever had sex outside of marriage, you have committed the exact same sin as any homosexual.
It's not an argument for what is, or is not, sin. That's God's job, and yours to manage your own life.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 14, 2013 20:32:46 GMT -5
^^^ a whole new respect for you bud... Excellent post
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 15, 2013 0:01:13 GMT -5
1 John 4 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. John 13 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 1 Peter 3 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: None of this implies that sin is not sin, only that we know what sin is in order to convict ourselves. As to each other, Jesus was clear. We are to love one another. Our own salvation is not based on our condemnation of others. It is right to know sin and to recognize it, so that we ourselves do not fall into it. But pointing out the sin in others is not the point. The whole "mote in your own eye" thing. Love others, as I have loved you. That's pretty clear. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. If you have ever had sex outside of marriage, you have committed the exact same sin as any homosexual. It's not an argument for what is, or is not, sin. That's God's job, and yours to manage your own life. i agree with everything you are saying here but some people try and take it out of context imo speaking against a sin/abomination is not violating these scriptures like some would like to believe I dont have the right to tell any man they will burn but i do have the right to tell them what the scriptures say will happen to those who do these things in Ezek God saved only the men who cried against the abomination committed in the land and the rest were destroyed my point is sometimes some take certain scriptures out of context to justify themselves or being passive |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 15, 2013 0:05:35 GMT -5
i am talking about people throwing out scriptures
like judge not that ye be not judged
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Post by Michael Wells on Aug 15, 2013 6:13:34 GMT -5
There are ministries, churches and religions based around scriptures they choose to use. Sad
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 15, 2013 8:00:44 GMT -5
agree with both of you.
Speaking against sin itself is not wrong at all, so long as we don't use scripture as a weapon to tear somebody down. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We're all just broken people who need forgiveness and grace, because we're all failures in one way or another and we need to remind ourselves of that daily. None of us are going to Heaven because we're just so much better than the next guy. Not one of us.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 15, 2013 8:13:33 GMT -5
There are ministries, churches and religions based around scriptures they choose to use. Sad Don't even get me started. |
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 15, 2013 15:31:57 GMT -5
prosperity preachers/tv evangelist
i am talking about those who promise prosperity if you give them money
and they use scripture out of context to justify it
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 15, 2013 18:03:05 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm talking about, too. Sheisters and con men. The bible says the world will hate you for following Christ, not make you fabulously wealthy so long as you give your money to the preacher.
Notice that the "God blesses those who tythe" hucksters never mention sending that money to starving people or to help someone.... no sir. You need to send it them, because it costs a lot of money to fly around in a private jet spreading the good word.
Years ago I was watching Jesse Duplantis on TBN. He ACTUALLY SAID THIS:
"If just 15,000 people send me $1,000 dollars, my ministry can afford to buy the plane we need. We need this plane so we can spread the word..."
I'm no math genius, so it took me about two full seconds to put the numbers together in my head. I actually said, "This jackass just asked for 15 MILLION DOLLARS for a PLANE!"
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 15, 2013 18:15:20 GMT -5
I'm not hating on all preachers on TV or radio. There are some good ones out there. There are some who will have a different take on scripture than I do, or some who I disagree with here and there, but the core message of forgiveness and salvation is there. Every single denomination will have their own spin on things and will have some pieces of doctrine that aren't entirely in line with scripture. We could spend days just discussing those.
We've all been taught things by our churches that upon deeper reflection in the scriptures, we come to disagree with.
That's not what I'm talking about.
Jesus forgave every kind of sinner he encountered but two: the non-believer and those who twisted scripture for their own benefit. The non-believers will be left up to judgement, but as to those who twisted scripture to fleece people, he tied knots in a cord and went to whipping ass over that.
What do I take from that? I take that we're all sinners and it's up to us to find Christ and seek forgiveness, but God still loves us and will give us all the chances in the world until we run out of time. BUT, for those who use God and twist his message- he made it clear that he sees that in an entirely different light.
God have mercy on the phoney preachers, the pedophile priests, and the prosperity sheisters.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Aug 17, 2013 1:01:11 GMT -5
yup the evidence is there about sodom and gomorrah it drives me crazy when i see the so called christians defending the gay lifestyle yet the bible is clear X2 People try to pawn it off as a sin is a sin, and we all sin. A homosexual is living a sinful lifestyle and has no intention of repenting. So you could also say its like a murderer who calls himself a Christian, but has no intention to stop. I have no FEAR of gay people nor do I hate them. Again, I just don't see how a Christian can argue it as an acceptable lifestyle. |
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