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Post by tomnelson on Jan 19, 2011 16:26:11 GMT -5
In Dave pattons time he could beat all heavyweights similar to what roman is doing today....I say patton would win anyway he wanted...you?
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Post by Michael Phaup on Jan 19, 2011 17:50:31 GMT -5
I would have to say patton. his toproll is incredible and cant imagine anyone stopping his super fast powerful hit. however i have never pulled roman so i can not be entirely sure. I did personally see him win all 11 classes in a tournament. i think roman would beat him inside, but he wouldn't be able to get inside IMO
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 19, 2011 17:54:55 GMT -5
Tom - in the day, no doubt. Best ever in that class.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2011 18:21:15 GMT -5
i remember reading an armbender from 80s in which Jerry Janings said he is 5 - 7 against Patton,and it means he was head to head with Patton.Jerry was great as well but not the very best ever in my book (but one of the very best).i have also watched the old videos of Patton,no doubt he is one of the best ever light weight but not the best ever in my book.
those guys that i watched Patton was struggling against,would be annihilated by 176 Rustam ,165 Arsen,165 Zoloev and by some other great light weights in last 15 years.
my favorite light weight is Zvetan Gashevski,but IMO Arsen Liliev is the best 165 ever (2007 WAF) .
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Post by tomnelson on Jan 19, 2011 18:42:45 GMT -5
arson went from 165 to 198...YA PATTON WENT FROM 150 TO 154 IN 30 YEARS...PATTON IS BETTER...
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2011 18:51:01 GMT -5
Dave has pulled 143s,154s,165s and up to 176s as far as i know.
i understand what you mean but if you search a bit more then you may realise that Arsen is not all alone in this world.
all i say is that if i had money,big money to bet.. i would bet on 2007 Arsen against any 165 that ever lived.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 19, 2011 18:51:10 GMT -5
Not sure if that record against Jerry is accurate. Dave has said that Jerry was an awesome guy and a great armwrestler.
Dave was the best ever just as Ali was the best ever - just in a different time period. Engin, you only met and knew Dave way after his prime and after he had a bicep tendon removed. Probably the most technically sound armwrestler ever. Winning records (by far) against two of the greatest armwrestlers ever (Allen and Cobra).
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2011 19:03:16 GMT -5
Bill, in this subject i did not mention my meeting against Dave ,even though he had beat Bucky Russel and Travis Bagent only a month before i beat him (i had to win total of 5 times to finally convince the refs). i only mentioned Jerry and his words on armbenders.i really doubt that Jerry would have lied about such thing on the best armwrestling magazine ever. i respect your opinion but my opinion is different than yours.i have seen Dave having long matches with some pullers whom would be destroyed by at least 5 light weights that i know of.i remember one Canadian event from 80s where Dave had tough matches with some guys.i really can not imagine Rustam,Arsen,Zoloev or Zvetan being slowed down by those pullers.i do not believe they could even beat 176 Rustam with their both hands. no disrespect is meant,JMO. i do not take your opinion as disrespect so i guess you can respec mine as well
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Post by tomnelson on Jan 19, 2011 19:04:49 GMT -5
Engin i used arson because of you pointing out he was the best at 165 3 years ago....TRUST ME I KNOW OF ALOT PULLERS WHO GET BIG IN A HURRY...I JUST GET SKINNY WHEN I TRAIN HARD...WEIRD ..
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2011 19:12:02 GMT -5
this is Rustam vs Chad Silvers at 171 in 2004 Zloty which happenned before Rustam has reached to his best (i believe last a few years he has been at his best); www.worldofarmwrestling.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=998 ps.no disrespect to Chad as this is something that happenned pretty much to everyone Rustam has faced.i picked a US puller who is amongst the best, to give an idea.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Jan 19, 2011 19:16:22 GMT -5
This one isnt easy when you have such distant Era's between him and Roman Dave was the best Light weight back in his time . Im not sure his record against a 165 Allen was more wins. I think it was close Dave Had many tough matches, But what also made him great was he won 99% of those wars. Dave IMO would flash a lot of people but the tough pullers he would war but win.
I think Dave would need to stay outside for sure , But Im not sure he can get Roman out of hook .
To Daves Credit . He once mentioned He didnt think he could beat John Buonoto , than2 years later around 1985 i a war inside he beat Buonoto. Also I dont think Dave was ever the same after he fell and hurt his back. Dont know the year
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Post by Chris Gobby on Jan 19, 2011 19:32:27 GMT -5
Denis Dubreuil pulled both Patton and Roman. He had a win over Dave at Yukon Jack. Denis Pulled Roman in 07 at mohegan sun and got dusted. I asked him once who he thought was better. He said Dave was awesome, but he felt his power was not far off. He said when he pulled Roman, he could nt do ANYTHING!! And Roman beat him with little effort.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 19, 2011 19:40:29 GMT -5
Dave Had many tough matches, But what also made him great was he won 99% of those wars. Dave IMO would flash a lot of people but the tough pullers he would war but win. yes that is true.i just think that pullers that i mentioned would not have wars with those guys but just flash them.if i can edit i will post the videos of some guys who had wars with Patton.anyone who has experienced WAF level competetion will tell you that Arsen,Rustam and Zoloev weighing below 176 pounds, would hurt those guys badly. I think Dave would need to stay outside for sure , But Im not sure he can get Roman out of hook . Guy,if you meet Roman somewhere just ask him what he thinks his chance is in hook against Zoloev.if he tells you that he has chance to beat Zoloev in hook then i will quit armwrestling.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 19, 2011 19:48:00 GMT -5
Engin, No offense taken - just a different opinion. Guy is right, Dave may not have been the same after the fall, but he was no where near the same after the injury suffered against Jerry Cole.
Chris - in fairness to Dennis - he was much older when he pulled Roman.
Guy - I believe that Dave was 7-3 with Allen and though had a loss to Cobra, was never pinned by him. If my numbers are not right on, I truly believe them to be close...
Also, Dave would never get into this discussion and just give praise to all of the pullers.
Engin - the videos would not be a fair analysis as the "prime" aspect is not there. I would love to see a prime Dave, Allen or Cobra against the great pullers of today. Unfortunately, that will never happen. I believe Cobra (pre horrific car injury) crushes many of today's pullers. Allen and his massive hand and intensity...same result. Again, just my opinion and no disrespect to any of the pullers mentioned. Prime for prime conversations are just opinions. If we could make them happen - I would want to see Ali whoop Tyson!
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Post by Cleve Dean on Jan 19, 2011 20:19:16 GMT -5
Engin, my man, one thing is for sure "HANDS DOWN" you can stir up more stuff than any other five people on this site but you make valid points LOL
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