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Post by petehenze on Jan 21, 2011 8:09:15 GMT -5
If we are talking NO DRUG TEST.. arsen has the Edge......If there was a Olympic level Drug Test.......Cobra and Dave would beat arsen hands down, arsen would not win. I would also put you Engin as one of the Best of all time light weights. If Arm wrestling ever go's to the Olympics, You will not see all of the same top Athletes Representing there Countries... Because Those who take the Anabolic Steroids .... There bodys Natural Testosterone is Shut down From Synthetic Abuse, and they need to stay on The Synthetic to Function at a high level... There have been way to many Examples of athletes from around the world.. That could never come back to The top level of there sport after They got busted for Steroids. I would bet My money That Cobra can beat most Natural Light weight arm wrestlers with a Olympic level drug test Today.....and Dave in his Prime would have as well.  Roman is still pulling strong and could be the best of all time one day time will tell. |
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2011 10:33:59 GMT -5
I would also put you Engin as one of the Best of all time light weights. under 154 pounds yes but i have not proved myself under 165 pounds (unfortunately injuries limited me). i would not be so sure about who has been natural and who has not.you may be right about somethings while may not know about some other things. there is olympic recorgnised drug test at WAF same as in the olympic games.do everyone who win WAF or olympic medals, are drug free athletes just because they are tested negative? and just because some athletes pulled 20 years ago,does it mean that they were drug free? no,same as it does not mean that they were on drugs just because they were not tested. or do we think that only the athletes who looks muscular,are on drugs? athletes who are not muscular are clean? |
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2011 10:38:32 GMT -5
(Off topic) Would you put Muhammad Ali up against all the great heavyweights since him? Muhammad Ali was not the favorite of the certain powers.. |
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2011 10:41:52 GMT -5
(Off topic) Would you put Muhammad Ali up against all the great heavyweights since him? Aside from prime Mike Tyson yes i think i would anyway. I think a young prime Tyson would have gone through him IMO if Foreman could not do it then Tyson could not either..if Ali was not knocked out while his jaw was broken then it should explain something.only a few rounds he needed to stay alive against Tyson and if some of the boxers were able to do that then Ali also would,JMO. |
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Post by Scott Wright on Jan 21, 2011 11:17:09 GMT -5
If we are talking prime of each person, then I would have to agree with Pete. I don't think Roman, Zoloev, Dave, Allen or Cobra could beat Engin. If he was 100% right now in both arms and no pain, I wouldn't bet against him. JMO.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Jan 21, 2011 11:39:26 GMT -5
Aside from prime Mike Tyson yes i think i would anyway. I think a young prime Tyson would have gone through him IMO if Foreman could not do it then Tyson could not either..if Ali was not knocked out while his jaw was broken then it should explain something.only a few rounds he needed to stay alive against Tyson and if some of the boxers were able to do that then Ali also would,JMO. Couldnt agree more .. As soon as a real boxer who wasnt intimadated and could stick and move Tyson couldnt fight. Tyson past 3-4 rounds was very ordinary too. Mitch green exposed him some, and Buster douglas destroyed him Dave was the best of my generation, Engin was the best of his, Rustam is the best of his. Today yes its harder the world is a bigger playground for arm wrestling |
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Post by chrislydman on Jan 21, 2011 11:41:19 GMT -5
Engin. Hands down.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2011 11:47:11 GMT -5
i could but i am NOT amongst the best 165s ever.i am amongst the best 154s ever with Patton,Zoloev,Roman and Jerry Janings.
Cobra,Dave,Gashevski and Zoloev have been the dominant 165s in our sport.
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Post by petehenze on Jan 21, 2011 12:08:24 GMT -5
Engin a light weight in the U.S is 154 and under in almost all sport.. So Yes you are one of the Light weight legends in Arm wrestling. as far as the other stuff we could Debate all day. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jan 21, 2011 14:04:24 GMT -5
I disagree on these Tyson opinions. Tyson was 10x's faster than Foreman and could hit just as hard. Saying he could only go a few rounds is dumb. Look at his fight record he went the distance on more than one occasion. He was a machine. He went down hill post prison. Coulda been the greatest ever if he hadn't lost the love of the sport so soon. Money was his only fuel after prison.
I think Roman would have beat prime Dave.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 21, 2011 14:16:14 GMT -5
All the lightweights mentioned are great: Dave, Allen, Cobra, Engin, Roman, etc. I think it is possible that all in their primes - we would have been treated to great matches! They are all great. To say one is better than the other at their prime is speculative.
All in fun. No offense meant to any as I could not hold on to any of them with 2 hands!
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Post by tomnelson on Jan 21, 2011 16:23:49 GMT -5
Dave patton...can any one ask him to list his 35 world titles WHERE WHEN WHAT YEAR they are?....Fisher says he has 25 but i cant find results that far back....jon brzenk most have over 50 world titles....WELL CALLED WORLD TITLES but for me after pulling WAF i say now its 100 times harder to win a WORLD TITLE TODAY...
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 21, 2011 16:37:21 GMT -5
i won 5 of those world titles in only ONE Petaluma WWC but i do not count them with my real World titles.20 years ago they were hard to win but people never stopped counting them as world titles.
about John,he has nothing to prove since he has been schooling those WAF title owners for the last 20 years.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Jan 21, 2011 16:50:56 GMT -5
I disagree on these Tyson opinions. Tyson was 10x's faster than Foreman and could hit just as hard. Saying he could only go a few rounds is dumb. Look at his fight record he went the distance on more than one occasion. He was a machine. He went down hill post prison. Coulda been the greatest ever if he hadn't lost the love of the sport so soon. Money was his only fuel after prison. I think Roman would have beat prime Dave. I havent looked at his record and wont. I seen tghe era's and followed boxing since 1960. Tyson like a lot of heavyweights , fought a string of bums. I never said he couldnt go the distance, But he was a furry for 3 rounds and than an ordinary fighter as it went on. see where his knockouts came , I bet most were 4 and under and many 1st an 2nd. I think he was 22-0 or something with 14 1st round knockouts... Mitch green took him the distance and paved the way for Douglas who destroyed him and at the time , Tyson was in his prime and didnt go to prison for at least 2-3 years after the Douglas fight Also a young Foreman would have swatted him like he did a similar fighter twice name Joe Frazier. He knocked him down like 12 times in two fight in 2-3 rounds. Dont believe the hype .. Tyson was who he was a thug , and exposed badly by a boxer douglas, who went on to do nothing after he beat tyson heck Sonny Liston best left hook they say , could have been the best, He wasnt he was a heroin addict and a thug. Coulda woulda shoulda |
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Jan 21, 2011 16:53:22 GMT -5
Ok Dont believe Me ... Burt Sugar is BOXING .. Do you see tysons name on this top 10 list And he went to prison after he got destroyed answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100620150135AArsxFft's bert sugars list of the top 10 heavyweights ever 1. joe louis 2. muhammad ali 3. jack dempsey 4. jack johnson 5. rocky marciano 6. ezzard charles 7. gene tunney 8. george foreman 9. joe frazier 10. larry holmes other additions bert makes after the top 10 is completed: he puts: evander holyfield at number 11 mike tyson at number 14/15 (bert is undecided) lennox lewis at number 17 jim jeffries at number 18 |
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Roman is still pulling strong and could be the best of all time one day time will tell.
