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Post by enginterzi on Aug 29, 2010 17:52:11 GMT -5
here we go. Why does everyone across the world always say the kkk this kkk that but NEVER EVER mentions what the black panthers do. Not much longer than a month ago thousands of black panthers threatened the city of jennings because one black guy got fired for a dumb reason. Its been over a hundred years since there were slaves but people are still complaining. But Thousands of people threaten a city with automatic weapons but nothing gets said. Im not taking up for certain groups but why does everybody point the finger at them and no one else. sorry, i just mentioned that the things got better since the time of KKK.i agree with you about this matter. it does not the change the facts of the history but they have no right to keep anyone of today responsible for the things that happenned in the past,either. not all but some uses what happenned in the past to justify their mistakes,same as Zionists using what hitler did to them everytime they wanna justify their crimes.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Aug 29, 2010 18:16:39 GMT -5
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Aug 29, 2010 21:50:01 GMT -5
Chris, obama signed the largest tax the u.s. has ever seen. Not to mention the health bill is unconstitutional along with half of the other things he is for. Hes against guns (constitutional right to bear arms), hes for abortion (which should be considered flat out murder), and many other things. Our tax dollars paid for him to fly a private plane for his dog to go on vacation with them because of religious beliefs. for Christs sake man (please justify) WTF!I'm going to just leave this thread alone not, this is ridiculous that you people REALLY Believe BUSH is worse than OBAMA.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Aug 29, 2010 23:06:55 GMT -5
Engin I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you on the political issues surrounding the September 11 attacks. Simply pointing out that all the majority of people understand is that Muslims attacked the great Satan America.
Most do not separate Muslims from "extremist Muslims"
Simply stating the way it is, not arguing with you on the issue.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 9:52:00 GMT -5
Prophet Muhammad is the leader of the Muslims.you decide if he was anti-Christian or not by his words.here are his letters - please read;
Letter to the Monks of St. Catherine Monastery
“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
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A Letter from the Prophet Muhammad To The Assyrian Christians
“God has told me in a vision what to do, and I confirm His command by giving my solemn promise to keep this agreement.
To the followers of the Islam I say: Carry out my command, protect and help the Nazarene nation in this country of ours in their own land. Leave their places of worship in peace; help and assist their chief and their priests when in need of help, be it in the mountains, in the desert, on the sea, or at home. Leave all their possessions alone, be it houses or other property, do not destroy anything of their belongings, the followers of Islam shall not harm or molest any of this nation, because the Nazarenes are my subjects, pay tribute to me and will help the Muslims. No tribute, but what is agreed upon, shall be collected from them, their church buildings shall be left as they are, they shall not be altered, their priests shall be permitted to teach and worship in their own way-the Nazarenes have full liberty of worship in their churches and homes. None of their churches shall be torn down, or altered into a mosque, except by the consent and free will of the Nazarenes. If any one disobeys this command, the anger of God and His Prophet shall be upon him.
“The tribute paid the Nazarenes shall be used to promote the teachings of Islam and shall be deposited at the treasury of Beth Almal. A common man shall pay one denar (piece of money), but the merchants and people who own mines of gold and silver and are rich shall pay twelve denars. Strangers and people who have no houses or other settled property shall not have taxes levied upon them. If a man inherits property he shall pay a settled sum to the Baitulmal treasury. The Christians are not obliged to make war on the enemies of Islam, but if an enemy attacks the Christians, the Muslims shall not deny their help, but give them horses and weapons, if they need them, and protect them from evils from outside and keep the peace with them. The Christians are not obliged to turn Muslims, until God’s will makes them believers.
“The Muslims shall not force Christian women to accept Islam, but if they themselves wish to embrace it, the Muslims shall be kind to them.
“If a Christian woman is married to a Muslim and does not want to embrace Islam, she has liberty to worship at her own church according to her own religious belief, and her husband must not treat her unkindly on account of her religion. If any one disobeys this command, he disobeys God and his prophet and will be guilty of a great offense.
“If the Nazarenes wish to build a church, their Muslim neighbors shall help them. This shall be done, because the Christians have obeyed us and have come to us and pleaded for peace and mercy.
“If there be among the Christians a great and learned man the Muslims shall honor him and not be envious of his greatness.
“If any one is unjust and unkind to the Christians he will be guilty of disobeying the Prophet of God.
“The Christians should not shelter an enemy of Islam or give him horse, weapon or any other help. If a Muslim is in need the Christian shall for three days and nights be his host and shelter him from his enemies. The Christians shall, furthermore, protect the Mohammedan women and children and not deliver them up to the enemy or expose them to view. If the Nazarenes fail to fulfil these conditions, they have forfeited their right to protection, and the agreement is null and void.
“This document shall be entrusted to the Christian chief and head of their church for safe keeping.”
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so how can anyone claim Islam to be an anti-Christian religion? i wrote countless of times that Jesus Christ is no different for us than Prophet Muhammad.both are sent by GOD to guide their nations into goodness.
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Post by Matt "CHOP" Bertrand on Aug 30, 2010 11:55:15 GMT -5
here we go. Why does everyone across the world always say the KKK this KKK that but NEVER EVER mentions what the black panthers do. Not much longer than a month ago thousands of black panthers threatened the city of Jennings because one black guy got fired for a dumb reason. Its been over a hundred years since there were slaves but people are still complaining. But Thousands of people threaten a city with automatic weapons but nothing gets said. I'm not taking up for certain groups but why does everybody point the finger at them and no one else. Chop, from everything I read, only somewhere around 250 members of the NEW Black Panthers were coming to Jennings to PROTEST the man losing his job. Once they stated they were coming, of course here came the KKK stating they would show up to stop them. The Panthers then said they would come armed in order to protect themselves if the Jennings police wouldn't do their jobs. That was back in April and I haven't seen or heard if either group showed up. Did they? The KKK never showed up, all they did was mention it so the new black panthers wouldn't show up. Which has worked fairly well in a few past situations. But the black panthers did state that they would be back with over a thousand "troops" or whatever the situation would call for. They never showed up as usual but threated the city hall and the police station by walking into both with automatic weapons. At the time they stated that a couple hundred panthers were "suppose" to be in Jennings at the time. Its then after the cops wouldn't do anything about the situation (which i know for a fact being several people i know work for the swat, police, and sheriffs dept) that the KKK would step in and protect the people against them. And if needed they would resolve the situation one way or another. You can say what you want but when a shot would've been fired the KKK would've fired back (just like the police would've in the same situation). Fact of the matter is the (cowardly) police didn't do anything about it. Correct me if I'm wrong aren't both the KKK and the Black panthers labeled as a type of (terrorists type) groups. But when that type of people walk in a city hall, police dept, and other local business with weapons and protest (which is SURELY against the law) and the police did not do anything about it. Thats then when the KKK stepped in. Also take not Mrs Karen that if you did do research on the topic of Jennings, you would've probably also seen a topic about a serial killer that killed 8 women over the last couple years. Unsolved mysteries, state official, along with many other types of help tried to step in, the city of Jennings (police dept and mayor) said they didn't need the help, that the situation was under control. But if you look into it more you will also see one of the local police stole some evidence from the evidence room. Jennings is a very corrupt city that doesn't have a backbone or testicular fortitude (nicer way to put what i wanted to say ) to do sh!t about it. Also take note that the D.A. Mayor and Other officials have been arrested themselves for drug trafficking, being paid off by drug dealer to get charges dropped, and cases or rehab. Anyways, i could go on forever about Jennings, which is a city that borders my lil community that i live in, but its not needed. What I'm getting at is that (almost)every city , news, police dept, and so on hides certain things, evidence, and very important details to cover up things or make them look the way they want. Once again to clarify things incase some of you are getting the wrong impression. I'm not prejudice in any way or support the KKK, but in this situation, they probably stopped hundreds of people from getting killed (included KKK member, black panthers, and locals) just by saying that if the cops wouldn't do anything they would be happy to.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 30, 2010 13:02:36 GMT -5
as far as Americans being anti-muslim i have not seen in the news anything of any American doing anything to any muslim here in the USA
we only disagree with the mosque can you say the same about Christians treatment in muslim countrys -------and i dont mean war time deaths
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 14:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 14:25:29 GMT -5
On the afternoon of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed the 49 year old owner of a gas station in Mesa, AZ. He was a Sikh. His family believes that he was killed because he "looked Middle Eastern." Additional shots were fired at a Lebanese clerk and at the home of an Afghan family.
On the evening of Saturday, 2001-SEP-15, a gunman killed a Pakistani Muslim store owner in Dallas, TX.
Adel Karas, 48, an Egyptian-American grocer was shot and killed near his International Market store in San Gabriel, CA. He was a Copt -- neither Muslim nor Arab. No money was taken. Police are investigating the murder as a possible hate crime.
A man drove his car through the front entrance of Parma Mosque in Cleveland OH.
Also on Saturday, a Christian of Egyptian origin was shot dead in California.
Near Chicago, IL, there was a march in which about 300 anti-Arab youths waved flags, shouted "USA, USA," and attempted to march on a mosque in Bridgeview, IL -- a suburb southwest of Chicago. Colin Zaremba, 19, said: "I'm proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have." Three demonstrators were arrested.
In Chicago, a Molotov cocktail was thrown t an Arab-American community center. There were no injuries and little damage.
In Huntington, NY, Adam Lang, reportedly a drunken driver, 75, allegedly tried to kill a Pakistani woman with his car. He later followed the woman into a store and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country."
In Gary, IN, a man wearing a mask pumped over 20 bullets from a high-powered assault rifle at a Muslim, Hassan Awdah. He survived. Hassan is a U.S. citizen, born in Yemen.
In Lynnwood, WA, a mosque was vandalized.
In Suffolk County, NY, a man allegedly made anti-Arab threats and pointed a handgun at the employee of a gas station. He was arrested.
In a prison in Washington state, two inmates fought over an anti-Muslim slur.
a gasoline bomb was thrown into the home of a Sikh family in California.
Two mosques were firebombed with Molotov cocktails during the weekend of OCT-20-21. They are located in Burlington and Mississauga, near Toronto ON Canada. Kendrich House, 35, from Oakville ON has allegedly been charged.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 14:28:56 GMT -5
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 30, 2010 15:47:59 GMT -5
And building a Mosque near ground zero is going to make things much worse. I hate to see it happen, but anyone can see it coming.
There are a number of Muslim communities the US that are not helping matters. In some cases it is the fault of the city, not the Muslims themselves. The city of Detroit comes to mind. Any time a group tries to separate themselves from the society they live in, they will create animosity. Detroit is creating a big mess by trying too hard to cater to Muslims. Even if the intentions are good, those who feel left out will get angry at the Muslims. The end result will not be good.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 16:18:42 GMT -5
John,
what is the situation of Amish people? they also separate themselves from the public? also do religious Jews work on saturday in US?
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Aug 30, 2010 17:57:36 GMT -5
Chris, obama signed the largest tax the u.s. has ever seen. Not to mention the health bill is unconstitutional along with half of the other things he is for. Hes against guns (constitutional right to bear arms), hes for abortion (which should be considered flat out murder), and many other things. Our tax dollars paid for him to fly a private plane for his dog to go on vacation with them because of religious beliefs. for Christs sake man (please justify) WTF!I'm going to just leave this thread alone not, this is ridiculous that you people REALLY Believe BUSH is worse than OBAMA. I guess it's just a difference in opinion or belief. Here's a good site to check some facts: www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm#Gun_Control"signed the largest tax the u.s. has ever seen."What tax hike are you referring to? "health bill is unconstitutional"Is it anymore unconstitutional than any other insurance that we're REQUIRED to have by law? In simple terms we pay the MOST for the 37th best Healthcare in the world. There's something wrong with that. "hes for abortion (which should be considered flat out murder)"I guess it depends on how you define for. I'm not really for it, but I don't feel it's my right to tell someone else they can't. From what I've read, his stance is the same. "Our tax dollars paid for him to fly a private plane for his dog to go on vacation with them because of religious beliefs."Bush by the numbers: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/19/politics/bush_legacy/main4735360.shtmlObama by the numbers: www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6119525-503544.htmlI'm not even going to get into this one compared to Bush. In eight years he spent almost 500 days on his ranch in Texas!! Over two months a year off isn't bad. I know I don't get even close to that, but I know some people that do, they're called French! I'm sure that Bush paid for all those trips with his own money too. This is what I've found so far about Obama and vacations: "Veteran CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller, a fastidious keeper of presidential statistics, has kept count. By his tally, Obama has embarked on nine “vacations” since taking office, bringing his total days off to 48. Some of those trips lasted a day and some, like his Christmas holiday in Hawaii, more than a week. By comparison, Bush had visited his ranch in Crawford, Tex., 14 times at this point in his administration and spent 115 days there. And yes, Democrats let him have it, too, complaining that he was a chronic vacationer." The only people that SHOULD think that Bush was a better President than Obama are his "buddies" in the 1% that got even RICHER over the past 8 years at OUR expense.
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Post by John Wilson on Aug 30, 2010 19:40:36 GMT -5
John, what is the situation of Amish people? they also separate themselves from the public? also do religious Jews work on saturday in US? Amish people are basically invisible unless you travel to Lancaster, PA. Jews in thr US do work on Saturday unless they are Orthodox or Hasidic. These groups are rare in the US outside of NYC or other large cities with big Jewish communities. In both cases the laws are not written to draw separation. If you do not want to work on the sabbath you find a job that is closed that day or one that will work with you. No business is required to honor your religion. This issue of separation is happening all over. In France there was a problem that Muslim women wanted to get their ID made with their head covered. Naturally this caused problems. This exemption was to be made for Muslims only. The public reaction is "why can't I have my picture ID with me wearing a ski mask?"
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 30, 2010 20:40:06 GMT -5
France does not want burqa at all,it is not about the ID only.what is wrong with women who cover their head? not all Muslims cover their face,but only head.even mother of Jesus has never been portrayed without cover,so i see no need for this unGODly request,esspecially by the people who claims to be believers.pornography is free,clothing is prohibited.not to mention the Catholic nuns. this is ok ( looks more like a classic Muslim woman than the legal corrupted ones,isnt it? ) this is not ok? this is ok this is not ok? so freedom is only if you can be invisible,otherwise you need to be as "THEY" want you to be. i lived in Dixon MO for years and saw Amish people all the time. Hasidic and Orthodox Jews do not count because they are rare,ok ..
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