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Post by Josh Handeland on Nov 2, 2010 21:50:51 GMT -5
KY Muscle past results 199-242 class 2009 Open Right 199-242: Andrew Casto/ Kenny Flynn/ Yerhen Litovtsen/ Jonathan Vogt/ J. Gilliland, M. Moore Open Left 199-242: Yerhen Litovtsev/ Max Moore/ Jesse Gilliland 2008 Right 199-242: Dave Chaffee/Andrew Casto/ Adis T. Left 199-242: Sunny Gay/ Brent Rakers/ Chris Heath/ Josh Hymore So other than Sunny Gay and Kenny Flynn everyone on these results could make 220 and a couple of them are 198's, like I said not every tournament can support a 220's class and if you replace the 242 class with a 220 class then its the 242 guys not showing up.....you CAN'T please EVERYBODY unless of course you are UNIFIED NATIONALS. Jonathan Vogt usually pulls supers so there's no way he's making 220 unless he cuts a lot of weight and I doubt we'll ever see Dave Chaffee make 220 again, but Kenny could make 220 (was 225 at Harley Pull). Not trying to bust your balls and I agree that the best 220's and the best 242's are a lot of the same guys.
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Post by David Owens on Nov 2, 2010 22:04:54 GMT -5
thanks Josh I don't know Jonathan right off the top of my head but Andrew Castro won the class who is if I'm not mistaken a 198er, not to take anything away from the rest of that class but Frank gave Mike S several great matches and he is one of the best 198's in the country, my point was only that he really doesn't have too many people to be worried about in the 242's ...if I'm him I would want to know where I stood with some of those guys anyway the problem is where do you make the cut off for supers, and the answer is no matter where you make it someone will have a complaint
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Post by Max Moore on Nov 3, 2010 13:15:22 GMT -5
i think its funny how all tha lil guys say that theres no problem with the 199-242 bein the biggest gap.........but if they were to go to a big tournament and their class was combined with the next class up ( lets say 176-220, or 154-198) we would never hear the end of it. the screamin and complainin would NEVER end.
i personally dont care what classes there are at any tournament i go to, i pull what i weigh and thats fine with me. win or lose i have a good time. ive weighed 220 and pulled at tournaments where it was 199+, no bitchin, who cares, if your not pullin for fun then your doin it for the wrong reason IMO.
i dont want any changes in the weight classes, but i think that alot of people that say it doesnt matter should give it some thought.
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Post by Max Moore on Nov 3, 2010 13:19:41 GMT -5
KY Muscle past results 199-242 class 2009 Open Right 199-242: Andrew Casto/ Kenny Flynn/ Yerhen Litovtsen/ Jonathan Vogt/ J. Gilliland, M. Moore Open Left 199-242: Yerhen Litovtsev/ Max Moore/ Jesse Gilliland 2008 Right 199-242: Dave Chaffee/Andrew Casto/ Adis T. Left 199-242: Sunny Gay/ Brent Rakers/ Chris Heath/ Josh Hymore So other than Sunny Gay and Kenny Flynn everyone on these results could make 220 and a couple of them are 198's, like I said not every tournament can support a 220's class and if you replace the 242 class with a 220 class then its the 242 guys not showing up.....you CAN'T please EVERYBODY unless of course you are UNIFIED NATIONALS. Jonathan Vogt usually pulls supers so there's no way he's making 220 unless he cuts a lot of weight and I doubt we'll ever see Dave Chaffee make 220 again, but Kenny could make 220 (was 225 at Harley Pull). Not trying to bust your balls and I agree that the best 220's and the best 242's are a lot of the same guys. and heres something i dont get....how am i placed behind two guys that i beat that day (Voght and Gilliand)? i lost to the second and third place finishers only that day. lol i dont care im just sayin how does that work? how do we sort out the finishing order all the way down?
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Post by Chris Heath on Nov 3, 2010 13:36:51 GMT -5
Speaking of 242 class, who will be entering??
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Post by Denise Wattles on Nov 3, 2010 14:17:13 GMT -5
Frank, There was a 220# class right & left handed in Atlantic City, but no Frank
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Post by David Owens on Nov 3, 2010 16:13:49 GMT -5
Jonathan Vogt usually pulls supers so there's no way he's making 220 unless he cuts a lot of weight and I doubt we'll ever see Dave Chaffee make 220 again, but Kenny could make 220 (was 225 at Harley Pull). Not trying to bust your balls and I agree that the best 220's and the best 242's are a lot of the same guys. and heres something i dont get....how am i placed behind two guys that i beat that day (Voght and Gilliand)? i lost to the second and third place finishers only that day. lol i dont care im just sayin how does that work? how do we sort out the finishing order all the way down? Sometimes a lesser puller just gets a good draw, at a recent event we held one guy got a good draw and went undefeated to the a side with one other (who he lost to)and ended up placing third, meanwhile there were at least two gentlemen in the class who did not place that he didn't pull and either one would have crushed him.
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Post by James Worke on Nov 3, 2010 17:06:35 GMT -5
^^ AGREED ^^
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Post by Frank "The PREZ" Hirst on Nov 3, 2010 18:14:13 GMT -5
Frank, There was a 220# class right & left handed in Atlantic City, but no Frank didn't I speak to you about it? wasn't even close to 100% . Had the fl round robin the week before. The 220 round robin I might add. Like max said. Let's have a 154-198. Or 176-220.
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Post by Chad Green on Nov 3, 2010 18:26:09 GMT -5
i cant wait ....this is one of my favorite tournaments every year
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Post by Adis Turcinhodzic on Nov 3, 2010 20:42:43 GMT -5
i think its funny how all tha lil guys say that theres no problem with the 199-242 bein the biggest gap.........but if they were to go to a big tournament and their class was combined with the next class up ( lets say 176-220, or 154-198) we would never hear the end of it. the screamin and complainin would NEVER end. i personally dont care what classes there are at any tournament i go to, i pull what i weigh and thats fine with me. win or lose i have a good time. ive weighed 220 and pulled at tournaments where it was 199+, no bitchin, who cares, if your not pullin for fun then your doin it for the wrong reason IMO. i dont want any changes in the weight classes, but i think that alot of people that say it doesnt matter should give it some thought. Ha ha I agree Max.
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Post by David Owens on Nov 3, 2010 20:53:25 GMT -5
i think its funny how all tha lil guys say that theres no problem with the 199-242 bein the biggest gap.........but if they were to go to a big tournament and their class was combined with the next class up ( lets say 176-220, or 154-198) we would never hear the end of it. the screamin and complainin would NEVER end. i dont want any changes in the weight classes, but i think that alot of people that say it doesnt matter should give it some thought. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm simply saying it would drasticly affect the number of entrees in a very non-comparable way. a 155-198 class would only be an issue for 176'ers who don't wanna give up 20 pounds and your right unless its in my backyard I'm not showing up to this event. ......but how many 220 guys are worried about giving up 20 pounds compared to the amount of 176 guys that would be worried about the same. My guess is few and far between are the 220 guys that care and an endless see of 176 guys who would now not show up to the event. As a promoter it doesn't help your event to cater to big guys that don't want to pull other big guys. Heres a thought, if you look at the 20 pounds in terms of body % then the 176 guy is giving up way more than the 220 guy maybe thats why as the weights go up only when you get into the heavys and supers
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Post by Josh Handeland on Nov 3, 2010 21:59:58 GMT -5
Don't know about big tournies but lots of heartland tourneys are 0-176 and 177-220 and none of the 54's/89's/98's complain. In fact at the Fireside Lounge in March in the 177-220 lbs. class the first and 3rd place guys were both in the 180-185 range while the 2nd place guy weighed 154. But not a big tourney. As far as 154-198 at a big tourney, the best 165/176 pounders aren't the best 198 pounders... but the best 220 pounders are also the best 242 pounders (Brzenk, Barboza, RVJ, ect)
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Post by Alan Berget on Nov 4, 2010 6:59:20 GMT -5
the difference in big guys to small guys is the frames. A 220 guys frame and hands are not a lot different that the heavy guys. But take someone like Brad Spine, one of the best in the nation under 154, his frame is just way too small to compete with the top guys in the 176's or higher. But great 198er's can compete with the big guys becaus the frame of their body matches up better. Point and case, just a month ago I was at a tournament and seen Tony Villa, a 198 grand master beat not just once but twice one of the best left-handed heavyweights in the nation(Robert Bishop of Michigan).
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Post by Chris Heath on Nov 4, 2010 7:07:19 GMT -5
Shut up Adis!
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