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Post by petehenze on Jan 22, 2011 15:31:14 GMT -5
There is another legend who has done so much for the sport, and is still pulling and winning at the open level: ALLEN FISHER, who is one of the only current light welter weights to beat Roman in recent years, which has already been said, but is something that stands out as far as this who-could-beat-who theory. Allen, for your old memory I met you at Worlds. I was pulling one of the Russian team guys on a side table. You gave me your card, told me to come down and pull with you...I thought that was the coolest thing. From that day on, I knew I LOVED the sport of arm wrestling. World titles and who-beat-who mean nothing to a lot of people if you are not winning now which is B.S... In my eyes, if you have been there and done it, you got my respect. the Fact that Dave Patton was a world champ back in the 80s and 90s is of no relevance. What is relevant, is that he has done it more than any other light weight in the history of arm wrestling. That speaks loudest in the who-could-beat-who debate. That is a fact.
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Post by A L L E N F I S H E R on Jan 22, 2011 15:53:08 GMT -5
Wow, I'm honored by your words of encouragement Pete! :-) Old memory? LOL Ya, I guess your right, but I do remember you. So why have you not come and trained with us? You're welcome anytime, just make sure I'm here. We need more people like you who love our sport and want to build it big. It's great to have you as my friend.
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Post by petehenze on Jan 22, 2011 16:08:02 GMT -5
Yes I will be coming down for sure after UAL... I am training hard for the U.S open, and need to pull with you guys. My plan was to get down there once or twice a month, you're only 2 hours away, I have no excuses... I went and pulled with Anthony Dall'Antonia over the holidays and he pushed me to get my butt down there with you, so I am fired up...thank you for the invite and I am honored to be your friend and see you at UAL.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 16:31:56 GMT -5
What is relevant, is that he has done it more than any other light weight in the history of arm wrestling. That speaks loudest in the who-could-beat-who debate. That is a fact. that is your opinion and i do not know what you know about world wide armwrestling.have you been anywhere outside of N.America for armwrestling?
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 16:34:19 GMT -5
the "WORLD" of armwrestling is a bigger place than the stories of the N.American armwrestling history.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 22, 2011 16:40:58 GMT -5
Engin, As I really do not know - was European armwrestling as big in the 70's & 80's as it had become in the 90's and today?
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 17:20:50 GMT -5
since there was no organised armwrestling in Eastern Europe in 80s, no, but i know of a European puller who will be remembered as the best even in 2050 and further.trust me it is not all about only what N.Americans think but what world thinks.
since you guys mostly know of N.American armwrestling it is my duty to inform you guys about what is going on in the rest of the world,esspecially eastern Europe that has been dominating the Worlds for near 20 years.
Rustam Babayev who has not lost any single tournament since 2001.good enough? he did not go back and forth with pullers such as Fisher and Janings,but have destroyed even stronger ones such as Gashevski,Tsakhilov and others.
2002 EAF Champion
2002 WAF Champion
2003 EAF Champion
2003 WAF no visa
2004 EAF Champion
2004 WAF Champion
2005 EAF Champion
2005 WAF champion
2006 EAF Champion
2006 WAF Champion
2007 EAF Champion
2007 WAF Champion
2008 EAF Champion
2008 WAF Champion
2009 EAF Champion
2009 WAF Champion
2010 EAF Champion
2010 WAF Champion
another one? Gashevski who has won 10 European titles which is as hard as WAF titles.he is the last one who got a win with right arm against Rustam since the end of 2004.
when i asked Arsen Liliev about his opinion of Legends in our sport he gave e these names;
John Brzenk,Engin Terzi and Tzvetan Gashevski.. then he said "maybe Taimuras Tsakhilov as well.. so world wide recognition is a bit different thing.
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 17:30:33 GMT -5
the greatest fault of Rustam is to destroy his opponents if he could have been getting these incredible results with more exciting ways then he would be more amazed..but the guy just has been destroying everyone for 10 years and if we ever see someone slowing him down then that is big news in armwrestling world.people keeps talking about the guy who gave a bit trouble to Rustam.i long time ago cut my hopes about someone finally beating Rustam and trust me his matches are the less attractive matches to the crowd since the results is known already. can you imagine that in 2008 WAF no one pulled Rustam till the final to save themselves for a medal? Pascal also did the same but he was already dead when he finally reached to final to pull Rustam.so basically he won a WAF title without pulling a single match!
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Post by tomnelson on Jan 22, 2011 17:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jan 22, 2011 19:15:27 GMT -5
Engin, I guess if armwrestling were not big in Europe in the 70's and 80's you really can't blame the pullers here for not traveling there to test themselves. At least, that is my thought anyway. It would make sense for the guys to pull "in their backyard" if that is where the majority of the competition was, right?
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 19:43:09 GMT -5
Engin, I guess if armwrestling were not big in Europe in the 70's and 80's you really can't blame the pullers here for not traveling there to test themselves. At least, that is my thought anyway. It would make sense for the guys to pull "in their backyard" if that is where the majority of the competition was, right? i agree with you. till the mid 90s US was the home of the best lightweights but after that anyone who claimed to be the best had to prove this at WAF.
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Post by johnbath on Jan 22, 2011 19:47:03 GMT -5
Engin,
Who would win in a best of 5 match between Rustam and Arsen? I realize there is a weight difference but if Rustam in that dominate then could he beat Arsen?
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Post by enginterzi on Jan 22, 2011 20:01:28 GMT -5
Arsen is as dominant but he just did not have enough of time to have a record that Rustam has.it depends on how the match starts.if starts totally squared then Arsen wins,but if ref allows Rustam to start supinated then Rustam wins.at 189 Rustam wins while at 209 Arsen wins.
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Post by Marcelo Palacios on Jan 22, 2011 20:03:10 GMT -5
I agree that Rustan will be a lot bigger in the sport if the matches were more exiting but even at the finals of this year WAF he made it look boring against Razor by SMASHING him, he is certainly at a much much higher level than the rest of the world, interesting to see what would happen between Rustan and Arsen...
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Jan 22, 2011 20:12:43 GMT -5
NUMBER 11 joe gans... my grandpas, grandpa, brother was BATTLING NELSON , Fought him 3 times and won the last 2....all 3 for the lightweight title of the world....AND THE FIRST MATCH WAS THE LONGEST TITLE FIGHT IN HISTORY....look for yourself on line.. battling Nelson , what a great Fighter he was. One of my favorite old time names too like another from that era Young Stribling
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