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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2011 18:16:01 GMT -5
all i would like to see a meeting between these great athletes.if these are all about the opinions then the man,John has the best opinion since he pulled all of them countless times.and he was not sure that if Devon can beat the eastern monsters when asked him last time.
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Post by Fabio Nimis on Aug 10, 2011 18:22:43 GMT -5
(just in the moment i was finish with this text i saw that Fabio Nimis has posted a similar view) ;D ;D.. It seems that i have a italian soul-mate that i don´t know that well til today. BTW: @fabio Nimis: please don´t type that quick... ;D...hahahah BTW 2: You guys are to quick by writing i see now..ooohhhh i guess maybe i am to slow with my English..Are you guys hitting always that fast on the table also?? ;D...hahahaha ...I will be faster at the table. ...you better believe it...hahahah A.K ah ah ah ah don't worry A.K the speed of my first post was just casual, in fact while I was writing my second post answering to Engin about 10 other posts were written!!! BTW no, I'm a SLOW hooker on the table
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Post by jamesretarides on Aug 10, 2011 18:36:33 GMT -5
Not unless they beat Devon. what if they never get to pull eachother? should we not consider when 3 of the top 5 ranked armwrestlers meeting eachother in the best pro event in the world ? Of course we should consider it Engin. I just think you put Devon at the top for a very good reason. Since he just pulled Michael last month he should be given the benefit of the doubt until he is (at minimum) six months inactive. My opinion would be that Tim, Jerry, Travis, Denis etc... would not be content with a number one ranking if they did not manage to take down Devon. Just my two sense (and like I said, an opinion). That does not at all discount the efforts of the man that wins at Zloty. If anything you could have a tie atop the rankings between the winner of Zloty and Devon. I am sure some promoter that can afford that match would like that as well.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2011 18:45:14 GMT -5
what if they never get to pull eachother? should we not consider when 3 of the top 5 ranked armwrestlers meeting eachother in the best pro event in the world ? Of course we should consider it Engin. I just think you put Devon at the top for a very good reason. Since he just pulled Michael last month he should be given the benefit of the doubt until he is (at minimum) six months inactive. My opinion would be that Tim, Jerry, Travis, Denis etc... would not be content with a number one ranking if they did not manage to take down Devon. Just my two sense (and like I said, an opinion). That does not at all discount the efforts of the man that wins at Zloty. If anything you could have a tie atop the rankings between the winner of Zloty and Devon. I am sure some promoter that can afford that match would like that as well. thanks for your expert opinion James! yes,i think a tie for the top ranking is the solution because the best of the west and the best of the east should meet (or Jerry who has good chance to win Zloty) somehow. even the conditions of the event will effect the result.PAL rules or Armwars rules? 1 minute for set up or long set up? it seems like the best way is this event to be organised by a 3. person if west vs east option happens. Devon by no means is inactive! he is active but not against the top contenders! one year should not go by without pulling against any of the other top 5 ranked pullers.unfortunately Devon has never pulled these guys. PAL and Armwars need to set a supermatch together if an eastern european puller wins the Zloty,JMO.
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Post by Scott Wright on Aug 10, 2011 18:54:48 GMT -5
Engin, I think Bob's point is that none of these guys on the rankings has gone out and done what John has. And I actually think Devon is the only one on that list that has gone after the top guys (besides the ones over seas). Tim B., Michael T., John B., Ron B., Rich L., Dave R. and Travis B. Do I think he needs to pull those other guys? YES!! But do I think he shouldn't be ranked #1 after this event? No way. I think some of these match ups will happen in the future.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 10, 2011 19:04:38 GMT -5
Engin, I think Bob's point is that none of these guys on the rankings has gone out and done what John has. And I actually think Devon is the only one on that list that has gone after the top guys (besides the ones over seas). Tim B., Michael T., John B., Ron B., Rich L., Dave R. and Travis B. Do I think he needs to pull those other guys? YES!! But do I think he shouldn't be ranked #1 after this event? No way. I think some of these match ups will happen in the future. Scott, i understand and agree with most of what you wrote.but none of those guys are ranked in top 5 as of now.Denis has come to Arnolds with an average shape (anyone who watched 2010 Zloty can see this) and still won. Denis twice visited N.America,Pushkar twice visited N.America.also Poland is not the country of Pushkar neither of Denis. ok,i agree that winner of Zloty should not be ranked over Devon.
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Post by Scott Wright on Aug 10, 2011 19:51:06 GMT -5
I also agree with some of what you are saying, Engin. I would love to see Devon pull this event as I think it is one of the top, if not the top event in the sport. IMO rankings need to be done like tennis or golf. I think anyone can be beat in this sport, it is how consistantly you beat that other person. Your rankings seem to be most consistant with that. We've seen Devon get pushed by a couple of guys, and he still wins. I don't know about Denis, but I think Andrey has what it takes to beat Devon. Even though Denis beats Andrey more often, lol. Like Bob says, stiles make matches. JMO.
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Post by John Roberts on Aug 10, 2011 19:57:57 GMT -5
I believe that Jerry will win Zolty this year and wrestle Devon at a UAL event soon after.
That outcome will most likely rank the #1 and #2 in the world.
I think that 5 or 6 pulls at Zolty would be the equivalant of a supermatch ( endurance wise anyway) as there will be no easy matches at Zolty, no matter who you are pulling.
JMO
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 10, 2011 21:04:19 GMT -5
1- Because you/we have the utmost respect for john, we can not place the only person (Devon Larratt) that won so dominant against John finally (No matter how and why). AK,when did you read that i said because i have utmost respect for John i said this.please discuss with sense. Please...What??... ;D ...No where Engin!.You had different reasons and other have similar or different reasons for the general "utmost respect" of a lot of people for JOHN B.worldwide but that was not the point i tryed to say!. This had to be a really bad translation problem otherwise i don´t know how you can take it that way!. Just because you don´t understand what i meant doesn´t mean that i am writing this things without Sense. .Maybe you should try to ask before judging my sense!.I doubt that you even can Judge my Sense based on this..really... ;D..Not only because how you are answering to me sounds with less sense.BTW: why are you judging me so quick anyway ?? (it is really fantastic how you are able to do that) ;D ;D...Please ask before judging. I was not disputing or discussing something about you I was happy that you asked us/others on it.. it was just one of my first opinions why i said No on this Thread!. You really got it out of the context what i meant... I will give it a try: In my 1-reason in my post above i meant that we all (at least a lot of person if not all) have a utmost respect for John B. (No matter based on what personal reason) and because of that we all should accept the final winner (for a longer period of time) against John Brzenk 25 Years of domination (we all know that John B. was not the "perfect storm as he can be" that day) so to give the final winner (Devon Larratt) an extra special credit for being the man (until proved otherwise) gives John B much more active credit at the same time even so he is not competing right now it means that he still ( ..this is for the man..the Armwrestling legend John B. if he is reading this..who knows ?!) is an active benchmark in that context even now.Other point under my reason Nr.1 was that Devon never lost (right handed) since also.
There is definitely some sense to think about behind this if you give it a chance to understand and it has nothing to do with what you wrote or not wrote and of course how you will decide or not decide to act in the end...We appreciate your asking anyway. I really hope you understand my 1.point how i meant it now better!. We should always staying respectful in a eye-height position with each other during a conversation.And this is the only way to do a good conversation IMO! between Athletes whether unbelievable beginner or an unbelievable legend. We will see what happens...your ranking is pretty reasonable to a lot of people that i was talking to so far anyway...Keep up the good job Engin. Thank you!. Have a Nice day Engin Have a Nice day everybody A.K
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 10, 2011 21:10:00 GMT -5
(just in the moment i was finish with this text i saw that Fabio Nimis has posted a similar view) ;D ;D.. It seems that i have a italian soul-mate that i don´t know that well til today. BTW: @fabio Nimis: please don´t type that quick... ;D...hahahah BTW 2: You guys are to quick by writing i see now..ooohhhh i guess maybe i am to slow with my English..Are you guys hitting always that fast on the table also?? ;D...hahahaha ...I will be faster at the table. ...you better believe it...hahahah A.K ah ah ah ah don't worry A.K the speed of my first post was just casual, in fact while I was writing my second post answering to Engin about 10 other posts were written!!! BTW no, I'm a SLOW hooker on the table HAAH ha... ;D...Okay thanks for clarifying this..this is a really fast board..you are right!. And slow Hooker are dangerous ;D ... I hope to meet you some where soon..good luck!. greets to the wonderful italy . A.K
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Post by Jerry Cadorette on Aug 10, 2011 21:23:57 GMT -5
I can tell you this much, I am not traveling all that way to be the runner up, my moddo is go big or go home. I have every intention to bring it, and then bring the gold back to the US where it belongs! No disrespect to any other nation, I am obviously from the good ole USA and these colors don't run under any circumstances. Do I think it well be tough, sure do, but like I said before I'll be ready for anything and everything. As for me and Devon, seems everyone keeps saying he should be #1, I agree he should be the #1 contender! Lol I am looking forward to this match as well, I think it well be a BIG shock to everyone, so the sooner the better! If I have to wait 6 months, then so be it, but that seriously bites for everyone!
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 10, 2011 21:36:22 GMT -5
I can tell you this much, I am not traveling all that way to be the runner up, my moddo is go big or go home. I have every intention to bring it, and then bring the gold back to the US where it belongs! No disrespect to any other nation, I am obviously from the good ole USA and these colors don't run under any circumstances. Do I think it well be tough, sure do, but like I said before I'll be ready for anything and everything. As for me and Devon, seems everyone keeps saying he should be #1, I agree he should be the #1 contender! Lol I am looking forward to this match as well, I think it well be a BIG shock to everyone, so the sooner the better! If I have to wait 6 months, then so be it, but that seriously bites for everyone! This is so cool.... ;D ;D ;D. Only a Winner can have such a confidence no matter what actual rankings reflects or not!... Awesome post...thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. You are the man if you win this Zloty Cup anyway....And the Match with Devon will and has to follow rather sooner then later cause all Big promoters know how much is behind that one for sure!. CYL later...got to go now..
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Aug 10, 2011 23:44:50 GMT -5
Devon wanted Denis. Denis didn't feel prepared to pull Devon and wanted tons of $$$$$$$. Not Devons fault. If Jerry wins. Maybe a #1 tie, MAYBE!
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Post by kyledarby on Aug 10, 2011 23:47:23 GMT -5
If Jerry wins, you mean WHEN Jerry wins
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 3:23:21 GMT -5
This had to be a really bad translation problem otherwise i don´t know how you can take it that way!. Just because you don´t understand what i meant doesn´t mean that i am writing this things without Sense. .Maybe you should try to ask before judging my sense!.I doubt that you even can Judge my Sense based on this..really... ;D..Not only because how you are answering to me sounds with less sense.BTW: why are you judging me so quick anyway ?? (it is really fantastic how you are able to do that) ;D ;D...Please ask before judging. A.K, are you not the one who said " just because you have utmost respect for John we can not place Devon ...." ? 1- Because you/we have the utmost respect for john, we can not place the only person (Devon Larratt) that won so dominant against John finally (No matter how and why). so you are the one who misjudge my post. btw who are " WE"? are you the spokesman of the board ? what makes no sense is that you to think that i thought Zloty winner should take no 1 spot just because i have utmost respect for John. There is definitely some sense to think about behind this if you give it a chance to understand and it has nothing to do with what you wrote or not wrote and of course how you will decide or not decide to act in the end... We appreciate your asking anyway. We should always staying respectful in a eye-height position with each other during a conversation.And this is the only way to do a good conversation IMO! between Athletes whether unbelievable beginner or an unbelievable legend. i never thought about excluding you when i ask everyone's opinion even though it is obvious that you dont know much about armwrestling. everytime you sound like an expert about armwrestling i regret for even getting involved.Dixon Glory was the same way.i mean no disrespect,everyone should have an opinion but it should sound as heavy as what they know which comes from what they have accomplished in someways (does not have to be competing success but can also be coaching,organising,directing etc).i can not just go to Sir Alex Ferguson and have an eye to eye discussion without knowing where i am at what i am discussing about.i should sound by knowing where i am at.in fact he would ignore me if i start preaching about football even though i have been a football fan for 30 years and actually played in amateur league.i would discuss with someone who is only a fan like me but would not preach to Messi or to Ronaldo.i would only try to benefit from what they share.but i believe that if they would be part of a football forum then there would also be a lot of preachers as well since obviously they are everywhere to have an eye to eye discussion is possible only if the unbelievably beginner (you) knows where he is at.whenever the unbelievable beginner sounds like an expert on the subject that he is unbelievably beginner of then obviously it is not possible to discuss with him as he is not looking to develope what he knows but tries to preach a subject that he is unbelievably beginner (not because of your career as i have never heard of you as an armwrestler- no disrespect but seriously do you even pull?).i can not have an eye to eye discussion with any top level athlete,trainer etc of any other sport about his sport without realising where i stand in the subject that i discuss about. i have olympic weight lifter friends and we talk about olympic lifting.all i do is ask questions to learn from them because they are the experts and i am the ignorant about that subject. in istanbul John has told me to write a book about armwrestling but i would be careful about what i say when i discuss with him if its about an armwrestling tecnique.is that because i have not travelled all around the world for armwrestling? is that because i have not won world and european titles ? is that because i have not trained world and european champions? of course no! but it is because the man simply knows more than i do about what is happenning on that armwrestling table! so i care about that detail even though i am someone who has been 28 times at the final of WAF and EAC but people who actually have not accomplished 5% of a top level person in this sport comes and confidently preaches here.so why would anyone who knows about armwrestling,come here and share something if there are enough of "EXPERTS" who preaches ? again,of course everyone should share what they think but preaching like an expert without having enough of background is none sense. your ranking is pretty reasonable to a lot of people that i was talking to so far anyway...Keep up the good job Engin. Thank you!. to a lot of people? you do not have your own expert opinion about it? ps.just curious where are you orginally from,Iran?Ashkan Khatami sounds Persian but i may be mistaking.
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