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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 3:30:45 GMT -5
Devon wanted Denis. Denis didn't feel prepared to pull Devon and wanted tons of $$$$$$$. Not Devons fault. If Jerry wins. Maybe a #1 tie, MAYBE! Devon wanted Denis at Armwars,soon after a tough competetion that Denis had.same as Pal has been wanting Devon to participate Zloty long before the competetion.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 3:45:13 GMT -5
what if Jerry loses at Zloty but goes back to US and beats Devon..the ranking will be as follows;
1-Jerry 2-Devon 3- ...
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 4:17:02 GMT -5
If Jerry wins. Maybe a #1 tie, MAYBE! how about if Pushkar or Denis wins ?
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Post by Neil Pickup on Aug 11, 2011 6:53:56 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Just for absolute clarity on the Rankings issues within the sport. Professional Format ie. ARM WARS style 6 Round 1 on 1 format and Main Draw tournament format are Day & Night. I believe that in order to have an real degree of accuracy in terms of athlete rankings it is not possible to utilize both formats when all the athletes under consideration are not participating. Similarly 1 on 1 multiple Round format would not give an accurate indication of which athlete is THE BEST Silver Bullet Puller in the World ie. over 1 Pin duration. I agree 100% that Nemiroff World Cup (Zloty Tur) remains the most professionally organized & universally high level event of its kind in the World today. I would not however agree that the athlete who wins this event should automatically be considered the Number 1 Armwrestler in the World. To endorse that view would be fundamentally flawed on a variety of levels. Whilst it may very well be, that the man who is victorious in Poland in October is the best Armwrestler in the World, victory in a Main Draw double elimination tournament which is stacked with extremely high level athletes is not justification enough alone to automatically brand the Nemiroff Champion as THE MAN. UNDOUBTEDLY they are exceptional BUT not necessarily THE VERY BEST. That would be like sayin "Usane Bolt is THE BEST RUNNER on earth !" IS HE !? HE'S CERTAINLY THE BEST 100 Metre Sprinter right now or so it appears. BUT what about 1,500 Metres !? Hmmm OK then, thats different Right ? 1 on 1 competition over a standardized format, be that 1 Round, 6 Rounds or somewhere inbetween, represents the only true way in which an accurate Ranking of athletes could be facilitated. I'm sure opinions vary.......its just that mine IS RIGHT ;D Cheers Neil
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 7:20:20 GMT -5
Professional Format ie. ARM WARS style 6 Round 1 on 1 format and Main Draw tournament format are Day & Night. IMO, not that far but YES different I believe that in order to have an real degree of accuracy in terms of athlete rankings it is not possible to utilize both formats when all the athletes under consideration are not participating. agreed and that is the problem. Similarly 1 on 1 multiple Round format would not give an accurate indication of which athlete is THE BEST Silver Bullet Puller in the World ie. over 1 Pin duration. true. I agree 100% that Nemiroff World Cup (Zloty Tur) remains the most professionally organized & universally high level event of its kind in the World today. no doubt I would not however agree that the athlete who wins this event should automatically be considered the Number 1 Armwrestler in the World. To endorse that view would be fundamentally flawed on a variety of levels. . there starts confussion. Whilst it may very well be, that the man who is victorious in Poland in October is the best Armwrestler in the World, victory in a Main Draw double elimination tournament which is stacked with extremely high level athletes is not justification enough alone to automatically brand the Nemiroff Champion as THE MAN. . agreed. That would be like sayin "Usane Bolt is THE BEST RUNNER on earth !" IS HE !? HE'S CERTAINLY THE BEST 100 Metre Sprinter right now or so it appears. BUT what about 1,500 Metres !? Hmmm OK then, thats different Right ? . i would not compare 100 meter with 1.500 meter but a boxing tournament with a boxing title or ranking match. but the difference is that boxing has enough of financial reasons for athletes to compete ranking and title matches while armwrestling does not have this neither for supermatches or tournaments.so we need to mix the results of both events or have two separate rankings(i think i will do that one). 1 on 1 competition over a standardized format, be that 1 Round, 6 Rounds or somewhere inbetween, represents the only true way in which an accurate Ranking of athletes could be facilitated. totally agree but i would rank Rustam no matter if he never pulls a supermatch again but continue pulling tournaments.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 7:23:35 GMT -5
Devon is the best in supermatches,PERIOD !
and i believe that i will start a supermatch ranking as an addition to world rankings.
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 11, 2011 8:44:19 GMT -5
This had to be a really bad translation problem otherwise i don´t know how you can take it that way!. Just because you don´t understand what i meant doesn´t mean that i am writing this things without Sense. .Maybe you should try to ask before judging my sense!.I doubt that you even can Judge my Sense based on this..really... ;D..Not only because how you are answering to me sounds with less sense.BTW: why are you judging me so quick anyway ?? (it is really fantastic how you are able to do that) ;D ;D...Please ask before judging. A.K, are you not the one who said " just because you have utmost respect for John we can not place Devon ...." ? so you are the one who misjudge my post. btw who are " WE"? are you the spokesman of the board ? what makes no sense is that you to think that i thought Zloty winner should take no 1 spot just because i have utmost respect for John. i never thought about excluding you when i ask everyone's opinion even though it is obvious that you dont know much about armwrestling. everytime you sound like an expert about armwrestling i regret for even getting involved.Dixon Glory was the same way.i mean no disrespect,everyone should have an opinion but it should sound as heavy as what they know which comes from what they have accomplished in someways (does not have to be competing success but can also be coaching,organising,directing etc).i can not just go to Sir Alex Ferguson and have an eye to eye discussion without knowing where i am at what i am discussing about.i should sound by knowing where i am at.in fact he would ignore me if i start preaching about football even though i have been a football fan for 30 years and actually played in amateur league.i would discuss with someone who is only a fan like me but would not preach to Messi or to Ronaldo.i would only try to benefit from what they share.but i believe that if they would be part of a football forum then there would also be a lot of preachers as well since obviously they are everywhere to have an eye to eye discussion is possible only if the unbelievably beginner (you) knows where he is at.whenever the unbelievable beginner sounds like an expert on the subject that he is unbelievably beginner of then obviously it is not possible to discuss with him as he is not looking to develope what he knows but tries to preach a subject that he is unbelievably beginner (not because of your career as i have never heard of you as an armwrestler- no disrespect but seriously do you even pull?).i can not have an eye to eye discussion with any top level athlete,trainer etc of any other sport about his sport without realising where i stand in the subject that i discuss about. i have olympic weight lifter friends and we talk about olympic lifting.all i do is ask questions to learn from them because they are the experts and i am the ignorant about that subject. in istanbul John has told me to write a book about armwrestling but i would be careful about what i say when i discuss with him if its about an armwrestling tecnique.is that because i have not travelled all around the world for armwrestling? is that because i have not won world and european titles ? is that because i have not trained world and european champions? of course no! but it is because the man simply knows more than i do about what is happenning on that armwrestling table! so i care about that detail even though i am someone who has been 28 times at the final of WAF and EAC but people who actually have not accomplished 5% of a top level person in this sport comes and confidently preaches here.so why would anyone who knows about armwrestling,come here and share something if there are enough of "EXPERTS" who preaches ? again,of course everyone should share what they think but preaching like an expert without having enough of background is none sense. your ranking is pretty reasonable to a lot of people that i was talking to so far anyway...Keep up the good job Engin. Thank you!. to a lot of people? you do not have your own expert opinion about it? ps.just curious where are you orginally from,Iran?Ashkan Khatami sounds Persian but i may be mistaking. Hello Engin , HAHAAA....What??...If something is really nonsense...than it is your post above that is coming with a lot nonsense...I am not sure why you make from a little misunderstanding such a problem...just ask before judging is something you better should do!. I will try to answer to all your disrespect expert-conclusions and incorrect assumings ;D later (but i will separate it from this thread cause it has nothing to do with what i meant originally and really is off-topic if you want to realize it) (you can give it an another try how i meant that so far in my second post). If it would be up to you, you are just looking for another misunderstanding instead of respect and understanding so far...everything you wrote in my directions may sounds rational for your own understanding so far but far not for me and for sure for some others too. I don´t have any conflict with you. ...You just don´t understand til now..and are too overbearing (this is another talent what you are really good at and you could surely give quick crashkurs in it.. ;D ) And of course thats sad for both of us in fact to some certain degree. You just don´t even tryed to understand...wow.. You have NO clue about me to write such a things and assumings..but i would really be positive surprised if you had react otherwise this time!. ;D. I have a lot of good things to do for this weekend and got to go to work right now so i have no extra-time-frame now to get into this with you now...sorry. ASAP... i will give you your answer!...but you are not friendly at all to me and are a extreme-overbearing person and thats really sad mostly for yourself at the end!. I wish you the best like always...have a nice Weekend. P.s: What are you wishing for me ? would it be better at least for you if i leave the board? who cares..but would it make you feel better ? will it be at least just alittle less disagreement with your so called "knowledgable thoughts" on everything? (No need to answer it here again please..just a little food for a possible thought til i write you your answer later!) P.s @ other AW-friends: PM me your toughts on this if you like to..I will value it and appriciate it for sure...i am really interested about your take on this!...thanks thank you for everything you do for armwrestling so far everybody. A.K
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Aug 11, 2011 8:45:23 GMT -5
Devon is the best in supermatches,PERIOD ! and i believe that i will start a supermatch ranking as an addition to world rankings. Love that idea.. Very good idea!.. . CYL...
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 10:58:57 GMT -5
Ashkan Khatami,
i do not have so knowledgable thoughts on everything but about the things that i know.you are an ignorant person about armwrestling but what is worser is you are not aware of this.even Mac Telle knew his limits about armwrestling but you ...
seriously,are you even an armwrestler?
what do i wish for you? i wish you to stop acting like an armwrestling expert.
no need you to quit the board because thanks to people as yourself, knowledgable guys of this sport slowly leaving this board to people as yourself who are the nirvanas of our sport.
i am not looking for anything as i can clearly see what you are,a second Dixon Glory case only with more ignorance.
Ashkan Khatami,
yes i am a very overbearing person whenever i meet a person like yourself who thinks that he is a genious who can know about something which he has not much to do with.
just come and preach all you want as long as you know something about it.i would only listen and learn.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
thanks Scott ! it looks like an idea to end this confussion but should supermatch results not effect the other rankings at all? supermatch rankings will not get effected by any tournament result for sure.
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Post by kyledarby on Aug 11, 2011 11:54:18 GMT -5
Engin,
With super match rankings since it's a new category you have the oppurtunity to start from scratch. This gives you a few options. I like this ideal. If one doesn't affect the other then the likewise shouldn't as well.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 11, 2011 11:59:24 GMT -5
Kyle,
i am not sure if the categories will be divided as "supermatch ranking" and "tournament ranking" or as "supermatch ranking" and "general ranking".general ranking would include all events while supermatch ranking woulde by its own.
do you think the other one would be general ranking or tounament ranking alone?
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Post by kyledarby on Aug 11, 2011 13:35:14 GMT -5
Engin,
I feel that supermatch and general are realistic options. I think if you compiled data from the last two or three years you could establish a pretty accurate supermatch ranking. The outcome is inevitably some athletes will be ranked in both categories. But that doesn't mean their position will mirror from one category to the other. As we all know no matter what someone will disagree. I say run with it.
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Post by Anthony Edens on Aug 14, 2011 16:53:57 GMT -5
I can tell you this much, I am not traveling all that way to be the runner up, my moddo is go big or go home. I have every intention to bring it, and then bring the gold back to the US where it belongs! No disrespect to any other nation, I am obviously from the good ole USA and these colors don't run under any circumstances. Do I think it well be tough, sure do, but like I said before I'll be ready for anything and everything. As for me and Devon, seems everyone keeps saying he should be #1, I agree he should be the #1 contender! Lol I am looking forward to this match as well, I think it well be a BIG shock to everyone, so the sooner the better! If I have to wait 6 months, then so be it, but that seriously bites for everyone! Awesome!
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Post by Paul Maiden on Aug 16, 2011 4:41:13 GMT -5
There needs to be two ranking as both formats are diffrent in terms of types of training needed for each format,both warrant respect and iam sure that the same names will appear if not in the same order.
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