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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 2, 2012 14:18:30 GMT -5
I notice so many matches are controversial due to elbow fouls...
There are clear advantages when someone elbow fouls
We ALL b;tch when we are the victim, b;tch when we win big but get called on one, and can't imagine how the refs miss them.
People go to BIG events and foul out
I can't help but think arsen/hutchings would have gone different had it not been for elbows.... Really I could name a hundred matches elbow play changed the tides.
Why not modify a pad that has a strap that crosses right at the bend in your arm and keeps you within the confines of the pad or from floating ?
Seems like an easy design
If you want the movement of the pad you could go as far as making a pad that slides 2-3" in all directions ... Just like sliding your elbow, except you can only go so far back, forward or sideways.... All while your elbow is secured down.
We would all have the EXACT same range of motion.... Elbow fouls would be gone
It would be like nautilus armwrestling.
Ever watch how some people lift ? Sloppy, swinging, cheating... Scary... But there is the argument that they lifted more than you but this and that.
Sit on a nautilus machine.... Everyone is bound by the exact same range of motion.
Referees would be able to focus on pins and other issues plaguing the sport.
I think it can't miss
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Post by Chris Heath on Feb 2, 2012 14:31:20 GMT -5
Excellent idea..
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Post by travisrobinson on Feb 2, 2012 15:39:23 GMT -5
Great idea RVJ...yea i love to see the youtube videos of what i call swing lifters,or momentum lifters,bragging about how much iron they can swing!..lmao..and they couldnt lift half as much strict!..i dont pretend to know as much about armw as you but would strapping the elbow down take alot away from momentum pullers?..i may not be asking the right question here but bare with me...thanks!
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 2, 2012 16:43:00 GMT -5
I think Leonard has the simplest solution. Go back to cups. It would eliminate most of the useless restarts from inconsequential elbow pops. The real elbow fouls that change matches would be easy to see, and the puller would actually feel the wall of the cup, which may help prevent the off the back fouls. Those are the game changers in my experience.
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Post by Bubba Hall on Feb 2, 2012 16:51:15 GMT -5
I’m new to all this but it looks like you wouldn’t be able to turn into the press at all with a strap on.
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Post by travisrobinson on Feb 2, 2012 16:58:09 GMT -5
I’m new to all this but it looks like you wouldn’t be able to turn into the press at all with a strap on. ....that's what she said. |
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Post by Bubba Hall on Feb 2, 2012 17:07:57 GMT -5
I’m new to all this but it looks like you wouldn’t be able to turn into the press at all with a strap on. ....that's what she said. LMAO…I deserved that one! |
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Post by Bubba Hall on Feb 2, 2012 17:09:07 GMT -5
I don’t know about the pad either…sounds like you would be armwrestling on skates. It’s hard enough to try to control the other person’s hand, not to mention the pad moving in all different directions except for the way you want it to go. Like I said I’m new this…jmo. See what you can get out of this one Travis...By the way I’m still laughing!
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 2, 2012 17:16:02 GMT -5
I think the cup is worse.... Pullers float their elbow
Can't see why you can't press
The moving pad would take some engineering ... And was just an idea to tinker with
I can't see how strapping the elbow down won't improve things a lot
Sure, some pullers will have to adjust, but in the whole scope of things it would be better for the sport.
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 2, 2012 17:36:18 GMT -5
An elbow pad with a strap would be easy to make, and worth a shot. I like some elbow movement. I really don't want US armwrestling to become Eastern European stall-hooking. ZZZZZZZ I really think the sport would be better if it was livelier, not more like WAF style.
The moving elbow pad shouldn't be too hard. The pad would be round, since your elbow doesn't move there's no need to make it a square zone because the physical movement is limited to a track. For instance, the hole in the top of the table would be 3 inches. The pad would have a single center bolt. On the underside of the table is a disc large enough to cover the hole and the through-bolt would go through this disc, sandwiching the table top between the disc and elbow pad which are now allowed to float.
It would be a crude first try, but I think the concept is really sound. Like everything else, you jsut have to make one and see where you want to end up based on trying it out.
The only part I can't figure out is how to make the elbow pad float when you want it to and lock down when you want to anchor your elbow in position.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 17:59:55 GMT -5
You could always go with the NAL pillow elbow pad.
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 2, 2012 18:03:32 GMT -5
agreed. i was just trying to think of how to make a strap around the elbow work.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Feb 2, 2012 20:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 2, 2012 20:35:14 GMT -5
I agree we need to do something about so many matches ending because of elbow fouls. I think being strapped down could restrict movements too much and cause one dimensional pulling. What about an electronic sensor/elbow pad that can detect any separation from elbows and the pad? Then refs wouldn't have to focus on elbows, there would be no question if there is an elbow foul, etc..?
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Post by Alan Berget on Feb 2, 2012 21:48:18 GMT -5
Keep your elbows on the pad and there wouldn't be an issue
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