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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 2, 2012 22:03:10 GMT -5
The electronic sensor would teach pullers to keep their elbows down and speed up and increase the accuracy of the process of elbow fouls for the refs trying to watch the elbows and false starts, and parallel pins, etc, all at the same time. Cut and dry calls, no side meetings, guessing, delays, and so on..
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Post by Willie Reagan on Feb 2, 2012 22:12:20 GMT -5
We all know the rules. keep your elbow down and you do not have to worry about it. Strapping down the elbow would keep one stationary. What about pullers who like to use the pads and do different movements on the pad? That will take away alot of technical armwrestling.
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Post by David Owens on Feb 2, 2012 22:13:33 GMT -5
Keep your elbows on the pad and there wouldn't be an issue Exactly I like the idea but if it changes range of motion at all it will take away from the entertainment value of the sport Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards
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Post by tomnelson on Feb 2, 2012 22:41:33 GMT -5
Rvj would be good if he had a strap to hold his elbow down...until then he can't armwrestle for S H I T...see you in April SON!
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 2, 2012 22:48:23 GMT -5
Since everyone knows the rules, I think we should just use the honor system and not have refs at all .
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Feb 3, 2012 0:54:11 GMT -5
Seems like it would put a lot of tq on your arm, possibly more arm breaks.
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Post by tomnelson on Feb 3, 2012 1:48:28 GMT -5
Seems like it would put a lot of tq on your arm, possibly more arm breaks. Yep.......all bad...
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 3, 2012 10:49:57 GMT -5
How more arm breaks and torque ? You are the only one that can put yourself in that position And is being tied gonna make you stronger ?..... So where is the torque ?
It's an idea, the pad moving could be an easy build to give some movement
I just think going to a championship of any sort and seeing the boat load of restarts and matches called from fouls are ridiculous And they have to be called because the fouls do give an advantage...soo
If we have to call them because they are game changing We can't prevent them as they happen all the time "just keeping your elbow on the pad " is good on paper.... Why don't we all do it... While we are at it we should all say no to drugs.... That would cut most of the crime plaguing this country..... That looks better on paper too..... But in REALITY....ya
Will it change the game a bit ?... A bit, but no different than going from sit down pulling to stand up I can't see how you can't use hand strength , toproll, backpressure, press, flop.... If it's tinkered with. It's just a way of making it EXACTLY the same for everyone.... Then we all get to pull and not worry about ref bad or missed calls.... Or favorites.... Or even the guy who cracked and fatigued your wrist by elbow fouling way off... Got called on it.... Restart... Then cracks it without having to foul because he took so much out of you on the initial foul...something he might have been unable to do had they been confined to that 7" pad and not 10". Even a little foul can be a game changer.... Even if it's called
Fouls are inevitable, this is an idea to roll around and maybe eliminate 90% of fouls and restarts
John Wilson said it would be all eastern European hook matches.... Or something like that... That is FAR more entertaining to me... And further more resembles armwrestling much more than a guy fouling out and never pulling Plus, if all hook matches where this sport had to go as opposed to where we are now... I'm cool with that change.
Then again, I said I can't see why all styles can't be implemented..
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 3, 2012 11:12:53 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with hook matches. I just don't like seeing every match where people sink a hook, sprawl their legs, and then lay into it motionless until one of them fatigues. And I think the reason they pull this way is that's the only way to pull without elbow fouling on a WAF table. Anyone who's never pulled on Igor's elbow pads has no earthly clue what we're talking about. Half the matches at worlds have been decided on elbow fouls for ten years now. It's a travesty.
Something must be done. I don't know what, but keeping what we've got doesn't have the spectators lining up. And paying two grand to fly around the world to catch two elbow fouls sucks imaginably.
"Just keep your elbow down." Fair enough. That way we can keep pretending it's not a problem. That's why Neil will eventually be the only person alive who gets people to watch armwrestling. He doesn't have his head in the sand.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Feb 3, 2012 11:34:11 GMT -5
I do agree something needs to change. I can hardly even watch the WAF footage on armtv. I enjoy watching hook matches more then anything. To much slipping, fouling, and restarting is no fun. Finger wrestling is gay imo. I enjoyed watching the strap and hook only tournament very much. Sometimes I think every match should start in the strap
I just think a strap holding you down would feel awkward. Id being willing to try it though. It would make for some long matches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 11:34:26 GMT -5
John you cna put a cam action lever on the ceter pin for a lock down and they make bearing that could be used on the bottom of pad a maybe on top of the under plate Just my 2cents
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 3, 2012 11:50:10 GMT -5
^^^ good idea.... See, a little tinkering, maybe make it slide on ball bearings
Hook matches are a stale mate for people close in strength, Brendan dye and rustam don't seem to wait for people to fatigue.... A bunch of other pullers too
But hooking isn't the only option
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 3, 2012 12:11:39 GMT -5
I just want lots of action. A fighter can watch MMA and appreciate a guy laying on his back for five minutes in a guard. But most people don't want to see that. People pay for action. That's all I'm getting at. The sport needs to be driven in ways that make it more lively.
J.J. good idea. I was thinking of UHMW or Delrin sheets to make the pad/disc slide better but under good elbow pressure they ought to bite enough to stay in place. Anything other than plywood on plywood would be an improvement. I like the cam action lever idea.
Hell, for a first go round, why not just a loop for your elbow that lets the elbow move an inch or two? Who cares if your elbow comes up some, so long as your elbow can't travel outside of the pad dimensions. It's a poor man's workaround, but I think it would be fun.
I think we need to do whatever it takes to get to nearly zero restarts and only one ref. The sport is currently unwatchable.
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Post by Alan Berget on Feb 3, 2012 12:14:47 GMT -5
So then every tables strap system must be identical or it will feel different everywhere you go. Baseball fans don't like to see the big hitters strike out either so do we come up with something so only strikes are thrown to them just to appease the crowd. Come on!
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Post by Kenny Flynn on Feb 3, 2012 12:18:16 GMT -5
An elbow pad with a closed switch upon pressure, open with no pressure, similar to a riding mower seat switch, would take the human element out of the picture as well, that switch could energize a light or alarm.
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