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Post by Duke Sarkisian on Feb 3, 2012 13:05:01 GMT -5
well seeing how there should be straps holding elbow down so no one gets an unfair advantage then we should also strap wrists tgether too.that way no one can get the advantage of a slippage restart when they feel as tho they gettn in trouble..
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Post by David Owens on Feb 3, 2012 13:11:46 GMT -5
An elbow pad with a closed switch upon pressure, open with no pressure, similar to a riding mower seat switch, would take the human element out of the picture as well, that switch could energize a light or alarm. This has been talked about before and is a good idea but won't take away the foul outs for people who can't keep their elbows down, they will just have excuse of how they never get pinned and only lose on fouls.......kinda like now Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 3, 2012 13:29:14 GMT -5
An elbow pad with a closed switch upon pressure, open with no pressure, similar to a riding mower seat switch, would take the human element out of the picture as well, that switch could energize a light or alarm. Exactly, very good idea about the pressure switch!! We could even make kits with pressure switches that could easily be installed under exsisting elbow bads. This seems like a very doable thing and will improve our sport. Rob pointed out his reasons for this post and none of them are to allow rule breakers to be aided... Come on goody 2 shoes .
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 3, 2012 13:34:28 GMT -5
The problem is not the foul outs. It's the accuracy and pressure that's but on refs to be accurate in other areas, i.e. false starts, parallel pins, etc. Refs ought to be onboard for the pressure switch idea as well. Putting the light on each side of table to alarm any elbow foul instantly would be the $hit! After a while pullers will learn to use more effort to keep elbows down because of the accuracy of the system (can't get by with one on the refs). Will speed up tournaments. Easy to make, Easy to install,... I'm gonna make one.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Feb 3, 2012 15:46:45 GMT -5
Straps only? YES PLEASE!
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Post by Dustin Morgan on Feb 3, 2012 16:55:09 GMT -5
And start in a hook? ;D Up to you to get out if you don't wanna be there. That would eliminate most of the elbow pop fouls on the start.
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Post by Anthony Snook on Feb 3, 2012 18:48:04 GMT -5
And start in a hook? ;D Up to you to get out if you don't wanna be there. That would eliminate most of the elbow pop fouls on the start. Fine with me. You'll just have a $hitload of "can openers" and a bunch of bitchin' on why "can openers" shouldn't be aloud ;D
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Post by Mat Helmer on Feb 4, 2012 0:01:31 GMT -5
An elbow pad with a strap would be easy to make, and worth a shot. I like some elbow movement. I really don't want US armwrestling to become Eastern European stall-hooking. ZZZZZZZ I really think the sport would be better if it was livelier, not more like WAF style. The moving elbow pad shouldn't be too hard. The pad would be round, since your elbow doesn't move there's no need to make it a square zone because the physical movement is limited to a track. For instance, the hole in the top of the table would be 3 inches. The pad would have a single center bolt. On the underside of the table is a disc large enough to cover the hole and the through-bolt would go through this disc, sandwiching the table top between the disc and elbow pad which are now allowed to float. It would be a crude first try, but I think the concept is really sound. Like everything else, you jsut have to make one and see where you want to end up based on trying it out. The only part I can't figure out is how to make the elbow pad float when you want it to and lock down when you want to anchor your elbow in position. Spring loaded pin that holds the small round pad to the table top - push down hard to move it, lift up to lock it. I wonder what shape the pad track would look like? A "V" or "W" shape? Maybe an "M" shape? The whole thing would have to have bearings or tracks along the edges. The strap would have to have neoprene or something on it, so your bicep and forearm don't get raw.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 0:57:21 GMT -5
Back in the late 70's early 80's i pulled at Daces Place, God rest his soul in Cincinnatti Ohio and he had an all electronic table. If your elbow come up it was a light or alarm same way with pin pad when u pinned a guy the light would come on. But its alot simpler if you just keep ur elbow on the pad and pull hard
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 4, 2012 1:01:09 GMT -5
Electronic pressure switch with a light spring under pad so there has to be positive down pressure from the elbow being on the pad. Light enough spring so not much pressure would be needed to close switch.
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Post by John Wilson on Feb 4, 2012 8:36:26 GMT -5
Good elbow pads with adequate rebound make all the difference.
Igor elbow pads = half the people at Worlds lose on elbow pads
Frank Hurst elbow pads = allow you to drag your elbow and to hit without needless fouls because the pad is actually a pad, and it actually rebounds back to its proper dimension.
**I think the solution is already here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 9:21:45 GMT -5
**I think the solution is already here. YES.. Igor pads are 2" thick wood, with carpet remnants and padding. My Hirst pads are nice. I made a set of pads from tool box foam, differnet thicknesses and densities. And they worked very well.
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Post by Brent Norris on Feb 4, 2012 13:38:29 GMT -5
Good elbow pads with adequate rebound make all the difference. Igor elbow pads = half the people at Worlds lose on elbow pads Frank Hurst elbow pads = allow you to drag your elbow and to hit without needless fouls because the pad is actually a pad, and it actually rebounds back to its proper dimension. **I think the solution is already here. Definitely easiest solution.. Shame we are still talking about this after years..
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Post by Floyd Colley on Feb 4, 2012 14:31:54 GMT -5
You could always do an instant reply like the nfl. For example the pins, they review all scoring plays in football. You could even have a challenge flag like the coaches, just throw it out there if you see a foul that the ref missed to be reviewed, but you would only get 2. But then the next thing you know everyone would want halftime shows and cheerleaders!!
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Post by Willie Reagan on Feb 5, 2012 8:41:11 GMT -5
If things get changed, then we all have to alter our training tables to make the adjustment. I know that alot of matches get stopped because of fouls, but that is part of the sport. This topic is something that has come up several times. It is a dead end. There is really no reason to change anything. Keep your elblow down, and pull. A strap would add too many restrictions. In addition, it will slow people down. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the way things are. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel.
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