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Post by Gabe Moore on Feb 5, 2012 21:11:52 GMT -5
Ok..so my previous post may have been a bit detailed...
Let's start with this....
Why wouldn't we want to require annual membership dues from open/pro competitors? The membership would be nationally accepted at any state/national tourney. However, required if you want to compete at that level, at any tournament in the US, in the open/pro classes, the membership card would be required.
$50 per year isn't asking much. Those funds could go towards the $50k Olympic requirement...or assist top 10 ranked pro's travel to state/national tourneys.
If we have 1000 pro/open competitors in the US, and we require this membership in order to compete in those classes, then we would easily meet the Olympic requirement of $50k....and, show some sort of organization.
Why not? Someone tell me why this can't be done.
Someone tell me why this isn't a good idea.
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Post by David Owens on Feb 5, 2012 21:33:59 GMT -5
I would have no problem paying dues to support armwrestling, but this needs to be in the form of a union and needs to have elected officials, and there needs to be some legal paperwork involved to insure our money is going to the correct places
The union would be beneficial because as a solid unit armwrestlers could make the tuff desisions that promoters will not, but it needs to be a vote and a system to re elect officers every so often to keep people from holding any kind of long term control, what is best for the armwrestlers should be the sole priority......figure out a way to do that and I am in
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Post by Bruce Ronquille Jr on Feb 5, 2012 21:37:51 GMT -5
I think it's an awesome idea
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Post by Gabe Moore on Feb 5, 2012 21:57:10 GMT -5
Alrighty...it's good to see some feedback...now, on to the next subject, posted earlier...
Why wouldn't we want to divide the country in regions, electing 1 director per region?...all would form a board of directors, managing the incoming monies. We could vote on the new representatives every 2 years.
Guys, we could easily show the world that we are financially organized with a governing body.
We have AT LEAST 2-3,000 competitors throughout the nation that compete in the open/pro classes. Just think...$50 per competitor per year...
Am I missing something? Someone tell me why this won't work.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Feb 5, 2012 22:09:31 GMT -5
I have been saying this too... It can't miss
Even cut entrance fees and trophies to put money towards a due...
Anyhow, I'm down for a change and contributing
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Post by Chris Josten on Feb 5, 2012 22:15:05 GMT -5
I'm with you Gabe but I agree with David also there would have to be some sort of union and a way to make sure the money goes where it belongs.
As far as regions go why not use the same ones we use for rankings here on the board?
I say we start polls voting for the representatives from our regions and have them figure out the details on collecting the money and go from there.
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Post by Gabe Moore on Feb 5, 2012 22:20:10 GMT -5
Let's let this post feed for another day, to see where we are on feedback.
There must be something we're missing....why hasn't this been done yet? Where is the organization in this sport? Why hasn't there always been an "elite" $50 annual membership for those who want to pay a mere $50 to support this sport?
Is there someone out there that can tell us why this can't and/or hasn't been done?
It won't be hard to put it in motion, once we get the support.
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Post by Bob Brown on Feb 5, 2012 22:27:29 GMT -5
I have tried to get the USAF to do something like this with little success. This is similar to what the AAA did for years and later stopped doing.
IMO The ONLY way to grow our sport is with raising money. This could be a great start. I personally would love to use the money to pay TEAM USA to go the the worlds.
But in any event, Its a great idea. This sport needs money. PERIOD.
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Post by David Owens on Feb 5, 2012 22:38:11 GMT -5
I have tried to get the USAF to do something like this with little success. This is similar to what the AAA did for years and later stopped doing. IMO The ONLY way to grow our sport is with raising money. This could be a great start. I personally would love to use the money to pay TEAM USA to go the the worlds. But in any event, Its a great idea. This sport needs money. PERIOD. Agreed but I would not be paying dues to any existing organization, armwrestlers union separate from all the promoters so WE the armwrestlers have some control over what is done with the money.....I also would have no problem with this being money to support our team usa or whatever is voted on by the armwrestlers As far as cards to pull goes, who gets to pull at an event is always going to be for the promoters to decide, and is in many cases going to be based on whatever helps get entree fees......can't see this changing for quite a while until we have a union strong enough to negotiate changes with the current orgs Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards |
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Post by Gabe Moore on Feb 5, 2012 22:40:20 GMT -5
Some have text me in support, thank you...others have been concerned with 2 factors:
1. What if someone can't afford $50 per year?
Answer--if you can't afford $50 per year to compete in the pro/open classes, then you need not become a member.
2. Embezzlement and accountability of funds.
Answer--I'm very confident this would not be an issue. If we elect 6 directors of 6 different regions to hold/collect monies, and keep a running list of paid members, shown on this board, we would never need to worry about such.
For example;
Region 1 Director--
Reports 500 paying members--$25,000 should be shown in the account.
If all 6 directors show 2,000 members($100,000), with a running list of when they paid, when membership is due, etc, posted on this board or elsewhere, then I am 110% confident we would establish this sport and move it from YESTERDAY'S structure, or, lack thereof.
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Post by Gabe Moore on Feb 5, 2012 22:48:10 GMT -5
Why can't we organize such a "UNION", now?
As for "promoters"....we should be able to hold an organized tourney, anytime. However, ALL tournaments held should have a financial responsibility to the sport(subject #3)...
Whomever we decide the board of directors should be, would hold any tournament to a 10% (more or less, just an idea) revenue "tax"...
10% of all the revenue from tourneys should be collected, as well, into the same bank account as the $50 membership dues.
While I'm on my high horse.....just one more thing...
The $50 "pro/open" membership dues would make those classses a little more respected. As of now, anyone from the streets can walk up to a tourney and enter "open/pro"...what does that say about our sport?
If we had a $50 due, then it may make those classes a bit more appealing to watch...and/or enter.
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Post by Ryan Davis on Feb 5, 2012 22:50:33 GMT -5
It can work if done right. same thing in fighting,or dirtbike racing you have to have a pro card to be in the pro class. And it could be beneficial to AW as a whole as well.
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Post by Brian Storie on Feb 5, 2012 22:57:08 GMT -5
Its what we do in rodeo we pay a yearly fee for your card which is around 100 bucks then every rodeo is a 110 entry fee if not more then the money is split between the winners and so on it could work if handled right
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Post by David Owens on Feb 5, 2012 23:19:47 GMT -5
Some have text me in support, thank you...others have been concerned with 2 factors: 1. What if someone can't afford $50 per year? Answer--if you can't afford $50 per year to compete in the pro/open classes, then you need not become a member. 2. Embezzlement and accountability of funds. Answer--I'm very confident this would not be an issue. If we elect 6 directors of 6 different regions to hold/collect monies, and keep a running list of paid members, shown on this board, we would never need to worry about such. For example; Region 1 Director-- Reports 500 paying members--$25,000 should be shown in the account. If all 6 directors show 2,000 members($100,000), with a running list of when they paid, when membership is due, etc, posted on this board or elsewhere, then I am 110% confident we would establish this sport and move it from YESTERDAY'S structure, or, lack thereof. Sounds great but you are not accounting for money going out as well as in, and unfortunatly when it comes to large sums of money trust is going to be an issue and there is going to have to be some paperwork involved. We could also make it easy for someone to pay 50 bucks a year even if its at 5 bucks a month for ten months, not sure who can't afford that, but the more members we have the stronger it will be, we need the majority of the armwrestlers to be members Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards |
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Post by David Owens on Feb 5, 2012 23:34:14 GMT -5
Why can't we organize such a "UNION", now? As for "promoters"....we should be able to hold an organized tourney, anytime. However, ALL tournaments held should have a financial responsibility to the sport(subject #3)... Whomever we decide the board of directors should be, would hold any tournament to a 10% (more or less, just an idea) revenue "tax"... 10% of all the revenue from tourneys should be collected, as well, into the same bank account as the $50 membership dues. While I'm on my high horse.....just one more thing... The $50 "pro/open" membership dues would make those classses a little more respected. As of now, anyone from the streets can walk up to a tourney and enter "open/pro"...what does that say about our sport? If we had a $50 due, then it may make those classes a bit more appealing to watch...and/or enter. It would be a great thing but don't expect the promoters to take part in it, you are talking about only letting people pull who have a union card, there are a certain amount of pullers who show to local events and never travel and most likely would spend less pulling in a entire year than the cost of the card, also I don't think we should restrict union member ships to open class....we can use the union as a way to create a structure for things like novice and amatuer classification, ending the string of multiple state and national titles by simply not giving those events the support of the union, much good can come of this if we can do it right! Sent from my DROID2 using ProBoards |
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