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Post by Yosef chalbi on Mar 9, 2012 0:07:28 GMT -5
Vazgen im not calling you a liar at all. just letting people know that Gaspari nutrition is a sponsor for next year. i love the Arnolds, so much that i drove 13hrs last year just to watch. And yes i will make donations for next year even if i dont pull. no i did not speak with denis, but i did run into Fairfax and made sure to thank him for everything,, and he did explain it to me !
Ian "the Grippler" it was a blast watching u keep the chunky ladies happy lol hope to see all you guys next year.
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Post by Mike Garavalia on Mar 9, 2012 0:24:36 GMT -5
Get 5,000 people to throw in a buck. There are a lot of people on this Board. I pledge 20. So, now you just need 4,980 people to throw in a buck.
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Post by Chris Davis on Mar 9, 2012 0:50:02 GMT -5
since i started arm wrestling about 2 years ago, qualifying for the arnolds is on my list of goals. one of the ones i want the most. i went there to spectate two years ago and ive never seen anything like it. just the amount of people that attend is out of this world, and its all people that any arm wrestler usually has something in common with whether its being competitive or a sport in general or just a gym rat. i think this would be huge if arm wrestling lost arnolds classic. i would give 25 dollars to see it continue, without hesitation
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Mar 9, 2012 1:54:43 GMT -5
Vazgen im not calling you a liar at all. just letting people know that Gaspari nutrition is a sponsor for next year. i love the Arnolds, so much that i drove 13hrs last year just to watch. And yes i will make donations for next year even if i dont pull. no i did not speak with denis, but i did run into Fairfax and made sure to thank him for everything,, and he did explain it to me ! Ian "the Grippler" it was a blast watching u keep the chunky ladies happy lol hope to see all you guys next year. Nice guy!
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Post by Vazgen Soghoyan on Mar 9, 2012 1:57:58 GMT -5
since i started arm wrestling about 2 years ago, qualifying for the arnolds is on my list of goals. one of the ones i want the most. i went there to spectate two years ago and ive never seen anything like it. just the amount of people that attend is out of this world, and its all people that any arm wrestler usually has something in common with whether its being competitive or a sport in general or just a gym rat. i think this would be huge if arm wrestling lost arnolds classic. i would give 25 dollars to see it continue, without hesitation Thanks Chris Davis. This is what we need. Also, everyone please call your friends, make sure that they know about this, get them involved in Saving Arnold Classic. It's time to get United.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 9, 2012 8:03:11 GMT -5
VASGEN: yrs ago the Arnold itself gave $ to run the Armwrestling. over the yrs, as "Armwrestling" became more popular, the $ the Arnold gave went down, and so did the prise$ awarded AS the refs were asked to pay their way and ref for free as they still do AS YOUR entry fee has gone up...
So since now Gaspari sponsors the "Armwrestling" and the Arnold doesn't give ANYMORE $ it is NOW being asked from the armwrestlers. March isn't even over to look for other sponsors and u, WHO IS NOW SPONSORED, is asking the armwrestlers for donations.
VASGEN. Btw is this one of the meets u told ur sponsors you would compete at and where they would get a lot of advertising out of it? Just asking.
Again does the other sports at he Arnold get their own sponsorship too?
Btw. I thought promoters weren't in it for the $?
And imagine when Pete and I said we were, we were blasted for it....lmao
Blast away....
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Post by Mike West on Mar 9, 2012 8:33:00 GMT -5
Ok, I really appreciate what Hack has done for the sport of AW at the Arnold, but why is it that he waited all these years to get a sponsor for an event that he wanted to keep at the Arnold? Denise & Leonard have been flipping the bill for this event since Karen gave it up because the Arnold wouldn't give any $$ to the armwrestlers.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 9, 2012 12:11:45 GMT -5
10k from Gasapri $100 ENTRY FEE FREE REFS.... FREE VENUE $1400 A CLASS IN PRIZE $ AFTER A TEARFUL. SNIFF, SNIFF MEETING THE USAA NEEDS 5K TO KEEP IT RUNNING A FEW DAYS LATER, WITHOUT I AM SURE, ANYONE GOING TO ANY OF THE OTHER 100S OR ARNOLD SPONSORS OR VENDORS, VASGEN POSTS THAT ARMWRESTLERS SHOULD FOOT THE 5K. CAUSE ITS SUCH AN INTERNATIONAL AND IMPROTANT TOURNAMENT... HAS ANYONE GONE BACK AND SEEN THE DROP OFF OF COMPETITORS WHO GO NOW? VASGEN: GETS PD TO ARMWRESTLE NOW... I, as once being a sponsored "armrestler", had to tell my potential Sponsors what tournaments i was going, what media would be there etc.So they would know what they would get for their $. Same as when I promoted tournaments. VASGEN, I am sure you had to?..And if so, not having the Arnold kinda hurts that Sponsorship of yours, IF they asked those questions, seeing how "big" the Arnold is...
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Post by Andy Freeland on Mar 9, 2012 14:32:33 GMT -5
I'll clear the air regarding Vazgen's sponsership:
Sponser 1 happens to be an armwrestler and his business has a traditional marketing adjenda that isn't relying on a return from his financial donations to armwrestling. Sponser 2 owns a private gym that caters to elite clientel, and does not advertise at all. Both sponsers are elite athletes in their diciplines.
Vazgen was selected because of his extreme focus, and dedication to his dicipline, not because of the potential ROI.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 9, 2012 15:06:57 GMT -5
I'll clear the air regarding Vazgen's sponsership: Sponser 1 happens to be an armwrestler and his business has a traditional marketing adjenda that isn't relying on a return from his financial donations to armwrestling. Sponser 2 owns a private gym that caters to elite clientel, and does not advertise at all. Both sponsers are elite athletes in their diciplines. Vazgen was selected because of his extreme focus, and dedication to his dicipline, not because of the potential ROI. Whoopie dee doo... SMART "DONATING" $...... VASGEN SHOULD'VE WENT TO THESE "BIG TIME BUSINESS OWNER/SPONSORS" THEN, IF THEY LIKE GIVNIG $ AWAY WITH NO RETURN? So then Y not then have BIG SPONSOR 1 AND 2 "DONATE " the 5k to "save' one of the MOST PRESTIGOUS "ARMWRESTLING" EVENTS IN THE WORLD?
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Post by Gabe Moore on Mar 9, 2012 15:30:16 GMT -5
We wouldn't even be discussing this if we had a $50 annual membership requirement. I'm just saying...
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Post by Andy Freeland on Mar 9, 2012 16:07:21 GMT -5
I'll clear the air regarding Vazgen's sponsership: Sponser 1 happens to be an armwrestler and his business has a traditional marketing adjenda that isn't relying on a return from his financial donations to armwrestling. Sponser 2 owns a private gym that caters to elite clientel, and does not advertise at all. Both sponsers are elite athletes in their diciplines. Vazgen was selected because of his extreme focus, and dedication to his dicipline, not because of the potential ROI. Whoopie dee doo... SMART "DONATING" $...... VASGEN SHOULD'VE WENT TO THESE "BIG TIME BUSINESS OWNER/SPONSORS" THEN, IF THEY LIKE GIVNIG $ AWAY WITH NO RETURN? So then Y not then have BIG SPONSOR 1 AND 2 "DONATE " the 5k to "save' one of the MOST PRESTIGOUS "ARMWRESTLING" EVENTS IN THE WORLD? They are generous fellow athletes who see his potential and wanted to help. That is all. Why don't they donate 5k to save the arnold? Why don't they just give all of their money away? Why is it dark at night? Why is the sky blue? I guess they haven't done enough for you yet eh? LOL
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Post by John Wilson on Mar 9, 2012 16:16:56 GMT -5
Yes we would Gabe. The 50 bucks was for the "we need 50k in an account for the Olympics" which turned into the "we need 50 bucks to send people to Worlds" and then that same 50 bucks was to pay for Pro cards and administration fees.
Unless Congress is in charge, that 50 bucks only goes so far. Perhaps we should get a list going of all the places that desperately need us to send 50 bucks. By my count we are up to 200 bucks apiece and growing with each new thread.
And no, I'm not a hater bent on holding the sport back.
Ill be glad to send a check for 5 thousand bucks. BTW, I am holding an event to raise the 5000 bucks. If everyone would kindly send me 50 bucks (or we can take it out of those dues collected) I will have that check sent out in no time. If you don't send me 50 bucks ill know you want the sport to die since I won't have the 5000 to save the Arnold.
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Post by John Milne on Mar 9, 2012 16:23:09 GMT -5
Yes we would Gabe. The 50 bucks was for the "we need 50k in an account for the Olympics" which turned into the "we need 50 bucks to send people to Worlds" and then that same 50 bucks was to pay for Pro cards and administration fees. Unless Congress is in charge, that 50 bucks only goes so far. Perhaps we should get a list going of all the places that desperately need us to send 50 bucks. By my count we are up to 200 bucks apiece and growing with each new thread. And no, I'm not a hater bent on holding the sport back. Ill be glad to send a check for 5 thousand bucks. BTW, I am holding an event to raise the 5000 bucks. If everyone would kindly send me 50 bucks (or we can take it out of those dues collected) I will have that check sent out in no time. If you don't send me 50 bucks ill know you want the sport to die since I won't have the 5000 to save the Arnold. Mr. Wilson proves once again that the pen is mightier than the sword. Brilliant post sir.
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Post by Gabe Moore on Mar 9, 2012 16:39:51 GMT -5
It would be an annual, $50 pro/open membership. Not sure where we came up with $200. Yes, its been thrown around loosely...but, solely as a concept. Just because I'm throwing around a $50 annual membership, doesn't mean it has to be $50.
Its purely a concept. We need to rely on ourselves, rather than sponsors. Yes, sponsors will always be a huge benefit, and an extra for those of us that are great enough to become sponsored. My point is, if we had a fund, managed by a trusted team, held accountable for every dollar via a CPA, or law firm....then we wouldn't have to worry about having enough money to keep such a solid event as the Arnolds.
Are there any other concepts out there that we could build from so that we don't have to be so reliant on sponsors? Or, so that Denise, Leonard, Karen, and other leaders of organizations doesn't have to come up with their own money and lose out from their personal finances?
I'm just not understanding the feedback. My position in the sport is young, yes. Maybe I need to spend more time in the sport without suggesting new ideas...and just spend time on the board responding to threads about who will win the next tourney...and setting up supermatches for TX State.
Help me understand why we cannot unite all of the organizations...and come up with an annual $50(or whatever amount) pro/open membership card. Tell me why this would be so hard. Is it a trust issue? Is it an organizational issue?
Where will the sport be in 10+ years? Will we still be in bars? Will we still be hanging on to events with sponsors? Where do you see the sport in 10+ years, John?
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