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Post by David Owens on Jul 7, 2012 16:50:42 GMT -5
I am just a little confused...is the elbow allowed to be lifted off the pad as long as ur lying on ur triceps and the elbow is "over"the pad. Is this correct? If so, then whats the difference of all the HAND wrestlers who lifet their elbow up and it's still "over" the pad.. No difference what so ever, that is not the rule being broken (it any) the rule being broken IMO with this type of strait arm pulling is the shoulder below the pad in the neutral or losing position
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 7, 2012 18:50:43 GMT -5
I think you're focusing on the wrong things!!! Why wouldn't it be something to focus on when probably most armwrestlers in the world incorrectly think it's not allowed to raise the elbow on the pad, when the truth is that it's the total opposite and it's perfectly legal to lift the elbow... actually as much as several inches, which is quite remarkable. Isn't it? I can't see why it ever would be wrong to highlight a widespread misunderstanding which creates both unnecessary debates and accusations against people who actually run their cards right. Your are of course entitled to your opinion and I won't try to change it. I'm just wondering what you mean. With WAF rules, you can't lower your shoulder under the table unless in a winning position. Therefore raising the elbow but still having tricep contact can only be done in a winning position. If you are in neutral or losing position you can't raise your elbow without lowering your shoulder under the table or having no arm contact at all (common foul).
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 7, 2012 18:52:53 GMT -5
Also the rule wasn't made so people can raise their elbow however high and rest on their tricep. It is because of how the body is made. When you go to the side and your arm goes down to pin someone your elbow TIP naturally will lose contact to be able to finish someone to the pad.
If people want to exploit it and have no respect for what IS arm wrestling, then this sport will become very ugly and unappealing.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Jul 7, 2012 19:26:18 GMT -5
Why wouldn't it be something to focus on when probably most armwrestlers in the world incorrectly think it's not allowed to raise the elbow on the pad, when the truth is that it's the total opposite and it's perfectly legal to lift the elbow... actually as much as several inches, which is quite remarkable. Isn't it? I can't see why it ever would be wrong to highlight a widespread misunderstanding which creates both unnecessary debates and accusations against people who actually run their cards right. Your are of course entitled to your opinion and I won't try to change it. I'm just wondering what you mean. With WAF rules, you can't lower your shoulder under the table unless in a winning position. Therefore raising the elbow but still having tricep contact can only be done in a winning position. If you are in neutral or losing position you can't raise your elbow without lowering your shoulder under the table or having no arm contact at all (common foul). Yes, that was my point here: "I'm not even sure the shoulder would need to be below the level of the elbow pad to be able to keep the elbow that high up in the air, but even if the shoulder would be below the pad it would still be legal as long as one would be in a winning position. (as Eric and David just quoted)" What the rule was made for, and how it can be used/misused due to it's obscurity are two different things. The rules say you can lift your elbow as long as you don't lose contact with your forearm or your tricep, and as long as you are "above the pad". My point is, there is no limitation in the rules on how high you can lift the elbow. Does that mean you can lift it as high as you want as long as you follow the rules, or should it be up to each and every referee to decide what is fair after their own liking? Isn't this debate a proof of that we have already reached this point?
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 7, 2012 20:18:42 GMT -5
"Isn't this debate a proof of that we have already reached this point?"
You're right it has gotten to this point, and it needs to be fixed. And fouls need to be called, on ANYBODY who fouls.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Jul 7, 2012 21:01:55 GMT -5
"Isn't this debate a proof of that we have already reached this point?" You're right it has gotten to this point, and it needs to be fixed. And fouls need to be called, on ANYBODY who fouls. Yeah.. but WAF will of course not change this rule (why would they? - because it's needed? ) We better get used to how the sport is developing and enjoy it as much as we can. WAF isn't directly known to be one of the more action-oriented organizations out there.. (can anyone spell "new better elbow pads"? .. or.. "Preparations for Olympics"?) About the fouls, sure, they should be called, but of course only as long as the current rules aren't being followed.
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Post by Tero Lampikari on Jul 8, 2012 6:53:56 GMT -5
These discussions are difficult to have when WAF itself doesn't have its updated rules on its site. That's true. Isn't it ridiculous? How long has this been the case and how long will it continue? Until after the next meeting and elections? I know that more recently, there was an effort to reword many of the rules, but I don't know how these rules are currently worded because they are not on the WAF site. Yep. Can anyone open "Rules and regulations" document except for it being blank? Where the title says "2012 New RULES FORMAT with changes highlighted". www.worldarmwrestlingfederation.com/docpol.htmI am fairly confident that the shoulder below the table in still in effect and should be called in events that use WAF rules. That's the big question. Does PAL use WAF rules? Do they use the 2009 WAF rules found on armpower.net site where "shoulder below the table" is NOT mentioned? What rules do they (PAL) have?
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