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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:07:34 GMT -5
Of course the arm strength has nothing to do with being able to control the other persons arm. Not everyone you are talking about presses. The weight does not matter. It is the strength that matters. Im saying upper body size such as arms, chest, shoulders etc...... matter but you have to account for the composition. If it's fat it IS NOT helping you lol. I don't care what you say fat is not strong and doesn't assist you lol
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:08:43 GMT -5
Im also sure Bresnan, Pushkar, Devon being A LOT taller and lower bodies weighing a lot more mean nothing either *sarcasm intended*
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:14:34 GMT -5
I'll make my point of view easier to understand. Alright you take all the people who don't train for armwrestling you have ever seen. I have seen a lot of "big" guys armwrestle smaller guys. The big guys were fat the little guys (most of them) were not fat but had decent muscle tone. I don't ever remember seeing the bigger guy win. Armwrestling is so much different than any other sport. Bigger does not mean stronger imo. You either get really strong or you are not as strong as someone else.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:15:12 GMT -5
Cyplenkov should be able to tear everyones arms from their shoulder if that weight helps especially when it's muscle.
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 8, 2012 21:25:39 GMT -5
Cyplenkov should be able to tear everyones arms from their shoulder if that weight helps especially when it's muscle. You talk as though I have said weight has everything to do with it. I only said it helps. And yes it does help everyone on every move during the final inch or 2 pinning someone. Fat can help because it makes your weigh more and like I said weight helps when finishing someone especially. You are not fathoming what i'm trying to say. If my arm can move more weight than I weigh then having more muscle or fat WEIGHT on my upper body would help me move someones arm. Do you get it?
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Post by Tero Lampikari on Jul 8, 2012 21:36:23 GMT -5
I think this example distort your logic. Max strength has nothing to do with the resistance band example. When I put my 30 kg weight vest on and pull a resistance band yes it does help me to pull it but does it make my arm stronger. No. My bicep will fail when it fails and 30 kg extra weight won't help me a bit. Momentum you say. How much slower I move with the vest? Speed would kill the momentum on a table any day? JMO You just said yes it does help to have more weight. And that is all you got from it. Ok.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:37:27 GMT -5
I guess if your in a grueling match and have that extra weight to use it's not gonna tire your muscle out just as much as it is your opponent then. I know if someone stops you in an offensive position it will wear you out just as much as them if you can't pin them. Sometimes more. I disagree with you. I don't think the weight helps. Because your arm is going to be able to apply whatever force it can apply regardless of weight because you have a peg to pull on to apply as much force as you are able to regardless of weight. Im just simply saying as far as pound for pound goes you have to take into account the athletes body builds. I think the strongest person is just simply the strongest person and the pound for pound argument is just to make us smaller guys feel better.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:40:10 GMT -5
Here is a good example hang on a pullup bar with your arms at a 90 degree angle and see how long it takes till you fall off the bar. Now add say 20 more lbs and see the difference in the times. Do each test on different days so your arms are fresh. The extra weight can be just as much of a disadvantage as it can an advantage which is why I say the pound for pound argument is really pointless. I mean I agree logically if someone is lifting more weighing less they are stronger lbs for lbs no argument on that but when it comes to strength you have to take into account the body types and the sport.
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 8, 2012 21:46:34 GMT -5
The one with more weight will be the one with the more momentum. But i'm sure you don't believe that matters.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:59:32 GMT -5
Yes if your talking about running 25mph. Your not throwing your entire body weight into an armwrestling match. But you are not understanding anything anyone is telling you so I give up.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 21:59:53 GMT -5
Do you even armwrestle??
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 8, 2012 22:06:09 GMT -5
Yes if your talking about running 25mph. Your not throwing your entire body weight into an armwrestling match. But you are not understanding anything anyone is telling you so I give up. If your not throwing as much of your weight into your move as you can, your wrong.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 22:08:23 GMT -5
As i said do you even armwrestle??
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 8, 2012 22:13:30 GMT -5
Practicing with friend. Never been to a tournament but I don't need to be to realize what were talking about.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 8, 2012 22:20:54 GMT -5
ok
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