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Post by John Parton on Mar 3, 2013 21:12:14 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of being under the table, if the rules prohibit it. And for most people IMO it is the cause of small tendon tears that lead to large ones. But Rob no matter how you feel with the list you have those aren't the rules that are played by. The fact that Mike Todd can even pull a girl with his right arm is nowing short of an amazing act of will over what must be terrible pain. If someone wants to make a list from WAF only it would be very different. I definitely think that Dave could give anyone a bad day right now and that if you Rob trained like most of these other competitors you would definitely be there as well even if you weighed less
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Post by John Parton on Mar 3, 2013 21:15:36 GMT -5
Also since rightly so Devon has said he shouldn't be there until he heals up. Don Underwood would be on my list. He is still coming on strong and capable of giving any one a bad day.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 3, 2013 21:45:26 GMT -5
I hear you John... I am talking who I feel is the best...based on what I see mike doesn't make the cut... It doesn't have to be personal. You guys are trying to Justify him being on my opinion based list because he is allowed to do things in the organization he competes in... But want me to look past h breaking the rules of every other organization... It doesn't jive for me... You wanna be among the best it shouldn't be because of a totally different rule set.
I disagree with it being a move... It's a survival tactic ... Like hugging your opponent in MMA... Wonder why in the purest form of sports they don't let it stay on the ground if there isnt action... It's not just about spectators.
Anyhow, enough about mike, this wasn't an attack on him... I made a list, a list I don't see him on... No biggie. He can make a 200 lb list and have me ranked 254th... Doesn't make it the gospel..
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Post by Devon Larratt on Mar 3, 2013 22:30:40 GMT -5
I Agree with most all the stuff you say Rob, it is fun to argue over the 10% though.
If you don't think Mike makes the cut, then maybe you, cause nobody else has taken it yet will bet on Jerry for the match comin up March 24th? he's on your list, Mike isn't? Money talks haha.. UAL will have a very good head ref i believe.
Another thing i gotta say is you disagree with the move.. Dude I love the move. Guys gettin low, doin what it takes to WIN!!! that is what it is all about. finding the way to win. I respect that. Check this out - Awesome match this weekend between 2 top guys was kinda goin back and forth till the one dude pulled out the drop to the floor move. I am a big fan. Love ya Rob, see ya at the end of the month lol
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Mar 4, 2013 5:47:02 GMT -5
If the rules allow MT to do whA he does, then so be it. if he is getting away with it, then it's up to the Res to call him on it.
I DO agree, for now, that WAF IS the leading organization BECAUSE ALL the AWers ALL over the world use thos rules. A tiny FEW compete at ARMWARS, ARMFIGHT and UAL, and these r reused in all 3. . until "minor divisions" r created in these associations, for the masses to compete in, the WAF , in my opinion, is the LEADER
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Post by Tero Lampikari on Mar 4, 2013 6:43:12 GMT -5
In my mind there is like two different worlds in AW.
The professional world with challenge/supermatches and price money. Mano y Mano. Multiple rounds to decide the winner. Less rules or rules that engage and fuel a fight. A world where one has total self responsibility if one chooses to enter the table. A world where there are unwritten rules of honor and respect. A world of ultimate warriors, not masses.
Then there is the competitive world. Amateur world where there are medals and trophies and maybe some small price money. There has to be a strict set of rules because of safety and what not. One can not choose opponents one can only choose which tournaments one competes in. This is for masses.
There are people who compete in both worlds and people who focus on one or the other. It is more and more difficult to be number one in both worlds. There once was a man who ruled both worlds for a long time but those days are over.
Mike has chosen the professional world. That is the world he belongs to. If he is not accepted in that world there are no matches for him. That is not the case. WAF as an organisation has nothing to do in this world and I think that's good. If warriors choose WAF rules fine. If there are some other rules fine. As long as both warriors agree it's all good. They should know who they are fighting against.
I know as a spectator where the excitement is and what I want to see and that is not WAF World Champs and their watered down matches.
No disrespect to anyone. JMO
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 4, 2013 7:35:33 GMT -5
Lol... How did I know you would throw that out there before I even clicked on it... I like the ball busting... So I'll take that jab and smile... You are a smart guy and I'll give you enough credit to believe you know the world of difference between the move and what I did... No way will I bet on Jerry against mike... I already said mike will win all day... But that's in that arena
The thing is I named a revolving 6... In my mind mike could be 7 or 8... Which still puts him well in top 10 in the world and capable of winning any match.. Yet you guys act as if I snubbed him to make the top 10 list in Arkansas.
He wins... He wins a lot... No doubt. Allowed to do what he wants... Easily top dog I look it as when ghis were allowed in mma... And Gracie used to strangle people with the sleeves... He was choking the sh!t out of everyone... Even great jujitsu technicians because he came into the cage wearing a weapon... Then the rules changed... And he was still great... But definitely not a top dog anymore.
Mike is good... Real good... He was before he started dropping... I won't take it away. It's more giving just dues to other talent as well... Like I said, I didn't forget him... Only 6 guys got mentioned... Next ill be getting hate mail because I forgot Rustam or Arsen...only 6... That's my opinion
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Post by TK on Mar 4, 2013 9:09:41 GMT -5
I like this list there is some things I would like to see Mike Todd vs slightly lower level opponents to see him beat them standing up, could he? I think so but hard to know since he usually statues the first couple rounds. Love MT but not a fan of his main weapon Jerry Cadorette in a hook with Devon, Chaffee, Tim, John ect, can he hang with them without the press? I saw him beat Lupkes in a hook but only after a couple standoff matches In the press in which Rich hurt himself My top six would be Chaffee, I think only Devon and Tim could beat him Devon number one till proven otherwise if healthy Dennis for obvious reasons Tim Bresnan, maybe the best on the planet right now Pushkar Hollywood, only Tim has as many wins over Devon correct? I LIKE THIS 6.
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Post by John Milne on Mar 4, 2013 11:08:17 GMT -5
Here's a perfect topic for you Rob.
Give us the dirty half dozen for sub 200.
It can either be North American or World. I'd love to see that list and I think because you're right there you might have a better handle on making a correct list than most.
I think I want to see your list for every weight class now. I love the fact that they aren't numbered either, makes for good conversation.
Maybe we can add RVJ's Dirty Half Dozen to the inthehook rankings. I'm being 100% serious btw. Just look at the talk over this list. This could be a lot of fun.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 4, 2013 11:20:59 GMT -5
200... Hmmm In no order The world... Not sure if all these guys can make 200 these days Arsen Kostadinov Babayev Zoloev Myself Lubo ... Not sure... Khadaev... Help ?? I feel I'm on the list for sure...my opinion of course.... I feel Sill is a problem... But this is the dirty HALF... Not the full dozen.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 4, 2013 11:25:57 GMT -5
Not too well versed on world wide pullers... So I may be forgetting someone real top notch... But these are the standouts to me
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 4, 2013 11:34:16 GMT -5
Maybe opperman ?... Is he 200 ?
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Post by John Milne on Mar 4, 2013 11:38:24 GMT -5
I think Terrance is 220.
I'm pretty sure that is where he competes at. In fact it was Krasi, Arsen and Terrance (in order) at worlds 220 last year.
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Post by Nate Gagnon on Mar 4, 2013 11:41:52 GMT -5
You'd have to amputate Arsen's legs for him to hit >200 I think...Toddzilla could hit 200 couldn't he? Isn't he like 210?
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Mar 4, 2013 11:48:28 GMT -5
Wow... Ok Not too versed on the eastern block.. And I've never gone against any of em What do I know... I'd love to grab the guys on the list anyhow... I'm feeling good about how I pulled considering I pulled once since Vegas.... I just been showing up to events without any table time... I should move to Canada or Utah I'm working on getting training partners... That should send me on an upward trajectory fast. In my little inflated brain... I just don't see a 200 lb guy beating me...I respect the talent... Their resumes... And I could be quacked... But until I feel it... Then I stand by that opinion.
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