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Post by Rick Laton on Apr 15, 2013 13:26:28 GMT -5
OK, let me re-phrase the question. Let's assume the guy is a technical armwrestling guru (He's not!) and can make the mental and technical changes required to learn to hook properly. How would you tell him to train for a hook. Remember, he may need to get at least some of this by weights or more preferably by just pulling slowlyyyyyy from the correct angles. Maybe better to just ask the hook guys out there..... How did you get such a bicep lock? High reps, low reps, heavy weight, light weight, full range of motion, 90 degree or less range of motion, simply locking in the fully curled position and holding? If you can stop a guy in some kind of decent position at all you can try to work from there but if you can't stop them it's hard to beat em!
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Post by Ed Cosnyka on Apr 15, 2013 13:52:59 GMT -5
Developing the forearm might take longer than developing the biceps for that transition.
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Post by John Milne on Apr 15, 2013 14:01:59 GMT -5
His up/backpressue will greatly translate into a good hook. There is no way of really telling unless seeing him in person.
Forget the lock, he does not need to develop it. He's obviously going to be an offensive hooker who will rely heavily on rotation and backpressure. If he's a toproller his mindset is already on attacking first.
I wouldn't get too caught up on "hook" or "toproll" but rather finding the easiest path to victory.
Table time, not gym time will help this guy most. Learning and "grooving" his move or path to victory is paramount here, not bicep curls.
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Post by Rick Laton on Apr 15, 2013 14:27:25 GMT -5
Developing the forearm might take longer than developing the biceps for that transition. Forearm is probably his strongest area. His hand and wrist can hook most, just can't win once there. Lower fingers are especially strong.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Apr 15, 2013 15:24:22 GMT -5
Developing the forearm might take longer than developing the biceps for that transition. Forearm is probably his strongest area. His hand and wrist can hook most, just can't win once there. Lower fingers are especially strong. RICK ck ur PMS
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Post by Duke Sarkisian on Apr 15, 2013 16:25:00 GMT -5
please somebody help that person hook...get away from that rotten top-roll...ALL YOU DIRTY TOP-ROLLERS SU-CK... ;D
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Apr 15, 2013 17:29:26 GMT -5
I feel like this is a game to guess who we're talking about.
I have my guess.
;-)
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Post by Rick Laton on Apr 15, 2013 17:32:44 GMT -5
Talking in the 3rd person is tough. I feel like Dwayne Johnson. The "Rock" says.......
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Apr 15, 2013 18:50:16 GMT -5
I wasn't even thinking you, actually.
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Post by Jeremy Fraley on Apr 15, 2013 19:26:03 GMT -5
hes being nice....he was talking about me
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Post by Robert Miller on Apr 15, 2013 20:45:51 GMT -5
Great question Rick... I wish I knew!? Lol. Seriously I echo what John & Rob have said in that they're not that different to begin with. I think everybody still should have there" bread & butter" move but still be proficient at the others. I TR rigehty & hook lefty... but I am ok doing the opposite with each. I think hooking w/ a stronger guy in practice is the absolute best way to develop inside strength... I mean really grinding it out the point of yer arm aching! Outside of the table the staples should be static holds w/ heavy weights and table curls/ neutral grip pull ups w/ static... etc. Pulling Paul walther is a great option as well! ;)good luck bud... & name the perpetrator will you!??
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Post by Robert Miller on Apr 15, 2013 20:50:20 GMT -5
Also Rick... check out Devon Larretts videos on this subject on YouTube! He explains hooking & exercise selection very well!
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Post by John Milne on Apr 15, 2013 21:53:00 GMT -5
I think hooking w/ a stronger guy in practice is the absolute best way to develop inside strength... I mean really grinding it out the point of yer arm aching! Outside of the table the staples should be static holds w/ heavy weights and table curls/ neutral grip pull ups w/ static... etc. I agree that the best way to develop inside strength is hooking with a stronger guy on the table ... however I would not combine that with statics, weights, table curls etc. All that would most likely = over training and possible injury or bad inflammation. If I may hammer the point again. Inside strength with hand control = WIN. What we are talking about here gentlemen is the high hook. This person we are speaking of is perfect for it. He already pulls outside. He just needs to turn that rotator down just a touch and you've got your high hook. Add to that inside strength and you've got something magical.
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Post by John Schnell on Apr 15, 2013 21:56:35 GMT -5
Depends on the hook. A high hook isn't very different from a controlled toproll, difference being the degree of pronation versus cup.
I would argue there is something called a "euro" hook. Mazurenko has training videos revolving around supination and sidepressure. The setup looks like a shoulder roll. I like this move, but it is highly fatiguing to my forearm, lat and pic. Fresh at practice I feel good with it, after about 4 good pulls I can barely force the cup on anyone.
You'll know it because the pullers are usually perpendicular to the start, cranking downpressure, and looking for the finish as close to their body as possible.
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Post by John Schnell on Apr 15, 2013 21:57:58 GMT -5
Beat me Mr. Milne
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