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Post by John Wilson on Oct 15, 2013 17:24:04 GMT -5
1. No more parallel pins. Hard to argue a pin when you hit a pad So a guy with a short arm will never lose because if your arm is short it doesn't reach the pad. Makes sense. There was a time before parallel pins. It wasn't long ago. The pin pad was also shorter. There was a time when there weren't even pin pads.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 15, 2013 17:26:58 GMT -5
Let me help you, Josh.
Measure the distance between the edge of the elbow pad and the near edge of the pin pad. Now measure the length of the shortest forearm you can find. Yours might work.
That distance may be close enough to pin someone with your elbow on the pad, but maybe not close enough if your opponent has driven you across your own elbow pad. 7inches is a lot of real estate if you know how to use it.
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Post by Josh Handeland on Oct 15, 2013 19:30:55 GMT -5
I just don't think someone like Jim Coyle for instance would ever be pinned by having his hand or arm touch the pin pad. Heck lets just go back to wrist wrestling
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Post by Jeremy Hurst on Oct 15, 2013 20:24:40 GMT -5
I certainly hope wrist wrestling does not come back. I was watching a recent video where the Ready....Go was used, and there wasn't even a slight pause in between. Therefore I would like to see the Don't Move....... Go! By the way Josh, watch for me to be busting my way onto the rankings very soon!
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Post by Jonathan Skinner on Oct 16, 2013 10:25:30 GMT -5
It's been said, but the words used are mostly irrelevant. Whether it's ready, don't move, or how are you guys doing..... Go. Doesn't matter if done with a proper pause to ensure each competitor stays neutral and lets both competitors know a GO is imminent.
I do think a change from the traditional "ready, go" is probably a good idea. Simply because breaking the old habit of saying "Readygo" will be much harder than starting a new standard of "don't move, go".
It then becomes the responsibility of the major sponsors to implement the new method. It may take several years but if they do promote the "Ready, Go" eventually the smaller tourney(for the most part) will begin to use it also.
When John Wilson says he varies the cadence the strict catch those "y" goers part of me says yes, I love it. But, I believe if there is a pause such as "ready - Go" the competitor in me says that if my timing is better than yours then I'm the better puller out the blocks. Much like sprinters. Why take that part away from the competition? Again, this is only IF there is a pause like others have referred to, Lenard's cadence. After all, both competitors have the same opportunity to listen to other matches and find the proper timing and if they go early it is easily discernible by the ref because of the pause in between.
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Post by Bill Collins on Oct 16, 2013 10:48:37 GMT -5
The sport needs to simplify. When people start talking cameras and instant replay you know the train has gone off the rails. This is armwrestling. Simplify, simplify, simplify. If you really wanted to get this sport back to its roots: take the ref completely out of it as much as you can. 1. No more parallel pins. Hard to argue a pin when you hit a pad 2. WHATEVERTHEHELLYOUWANT......GO. False start = foul 3. Re-design elbow pads to eliminate all but the most blatant elbow fouls. The more this sport gets back to ACTION the better it will be. If you are relying on refs and working the rules to win, then you need to get stronger so you can actually pin somebody. John you get it....We been playing with the elbow pads, most loses are from the starts or the elbows coming out of the pocket.. Instead of a 7x7 flat top, what about a 8x7 trough style, 7" puller to puller and 8" from peg to peg..
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 16, 2013 11:53:53 GMT -5
I LOVE IT, BILL
As a puller, I can't tell you how much I love that. Even if it doesn't work out, I appreciate the hell out of you for being willing to try SOMETHING to solve the obvious problems. Hey, if it doesn't work out as well as you hoped, then so what? Try something else.
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Post by P R O T O T Y P E - A.K on Oct 16, 2013 12:09:53 GMT -5
Good evening, In 2010 i was so glad to combine both "(stay)..DON´T MOVE...GO" and the "EVEN REFEREES GRIP"for the first time here in Germany if not Worldwide in our Berlin City Championship after working it out with some friends here on this thread---> northeastboard.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=19317&page=1 (check out the last pages also) It has a huge positive impact over here. The Athletes favored it a lot. And all i was focused on those days beside of my own limited sport development , was to help evolving this sport & the interest of true Athletes, the way i learned & defined Athletism and fairplay for myself. In same year the simple idea (only Don´t move´go) was declined @ waf world. And i know til today 100% that most of those guys with the opportunity of voting for it, not even understood 50% of what it was about. And how to perform it correctly without to much irritating their established system of ref teaching & so on. If you are interested, read the thread & take if there is something good in it for you & this subject. Good bye...take care.
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Post by Simon Berriochoa on Oct 16, 2013 12:29:25 GMT -5
I agree with John the sport needs to get simpler, but it is not because as it evolves people continue to try and find ways to take advantage of the process, and they call it technique.
There simply is a lack honor in sport now a days, in Roman times if you lifted your elbow to get on top, applied any pressure before the go, refused to get a real grip, moved in a way that prompted a slip etc. you probably got speared.
For my money Fix the elbow fouls at all costs. Shorten the fighting in the grip up, drive a very neutral grip. And have only rules that allow/enable the athletes to pull very aggressively after the go with very little outside of a physical pin to stop the match.
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Post by John Wilson on Oct 16, 2013 12:37:35 GMT -5
^ 1MILLION% agree
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Post by Jared Cook on Oct 16, 2013 15:12:53 GMT -5
I don't think the actual words in the starting cadence matter as much as a warning of some sort that the match is going to start (like how Josh mentioned Cobra saying "I'm going to give the command"), and the pause before, "GO". Those two things are most important to me. There's been too many times that I've lost a match because I was still trying to get a comfortable grip (outside of a referee's grip) and the referee said, "READYGO" before I was even remotely close to being almost ready, haha. If we use "Ready.....Go" in practice, we usually preface that with, "I'm going to start you" or "Do you like that grip" or something similar. That warning, along with the pause before "Go" makes for a lot more fair starts, IMO.
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Post by Bill Collins on Oct 16, 2013 16:00:50 GMT -5
Good evening, In 2010 i was so glad to combine both "(stay)..DON´T MOVE...GO" and the "EVEN REFEREES GRIP"for the first time here in Germany if not Worldwide in our Berlin City Championship after working it out with some friends here on this thread---> northeastboard.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=19317&page=1 (check out the last pages also) It has a huge positive impact over here. The Athletes favored it a lot. And all i was focused on those days beside of my own limited sport development , was to help evolving this sport & the interest of true Athletes, the way i learned & defined Athletism and fairplay for myself. In same year the simple idea (only Don´t move´go) was declined @ waf world. And i know til today 100% that most of those guys with the opportunity of voting for it, not even understood 50% of what it was about. And how to perform it correctly without to much irritating their established system of ref teaching & so on. If you are interested, read the thread & take if there is something good in it for you & this subject. Good bye...take care. During the WAF congress meeting it obvious there is a serious language issue, especially when items have to be voted 3 to 4 times on each agenda item, due for the same country raising the no paddle during the count and then the yes paddle during the count...glad to here your opinion Trio, no different then shoulder under the table in the natural of losing position vs shoulder under the table in the natural of losing side of the table..
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Post by Bill Collins on Oct 16, 2013 16:01:42 GMT -5
I LOVE IT, BILL As a puller, I can't tell you how much I love that. Even if it doesn't work out, I appreciate the hell out of you for being willing to try SOMETHING to solve the obvious problems. Hey, if it doesn't work out as well as you hoped, then so what? Try something else. Trampoline style, thanks John and 100% Simon
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Post by Dan Willis on Oct 16, 2013 21:03:40 GMT -5
don't move....go
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