Las Botha
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Post by Las Botha on Mar 18, 2014 17:30:07 GMT -5
Dave don't do long days.
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Post by John Schnell on Mar 18, 2014 17:47:40 GMT -5
I like Dave and want to give him all the props and just dues as he deserves them. With that said there are some points to make when him or any of the guys before him were painted on another level. Dave is on an impressive streak no doubt, but saying the only guy to power over Denis... Well... Tim peeled his hand before, Lupkes looked like he was in it power wise and they went to war.... Brzenk has beaten him a few times( the only guy to do so)... Arsen has beaten him straight up. The list is short but it isn't a gauge and the power through part isn't the real deal... Dave lined up in a high posting looping toproll like Dave Patton... Denis' hand was flopped. Stop travis ?... He sure has, but at WAL that looked like a scary day for Dave and by judging travis looked like the dominant guy then.... And with different refs it mighta been like 5 pins. Don... He is elite, but Lupkes absorbs his hits too fairly easy.... As well as others. Lupkes ... Raw power, with an angle he gets beat by Marcio and bath... Brzenk has had points of chumping all these guys on a given day... Easily at that. Point is... I see there seems to be a level the very best guys loom around... Sometimes a guy has a tad more horsepower or is more proficient at getting his angle and hits a stretch of winning, but that doesn't mean they stand alone the pack is on the same plane and as powerful, it's just micrometers and the day. All the bests have been shocked and toppled in their peak of condition and dominance... Every single one... Unless they pull voevoda and dip off after the big win. Even someone as powerful as Dave got his hand cracked and in a bit of trouble with Allen ford in the overall at MGC last year.... It happens Dave is on top, but you can't and shouldn't put the pressure on him of being way above the pack, because he will get used as a platform to catapult the next guy as Denis did for him... And in Denis' case he didn't even have to win because he was perceived as so much stronger that just making him work was a win. I based my vote on Devon's levers and hand taking ability coupled with the times I've seen Dave lose his hand. Respect to the guy, just being analytical I respect your opinion more than most, but I do take it with a grain of salt. Whereas I look at it from a non-emotional point of view (right or wrong), I think your previous experience with many of the named above slants you in one direction or another. The only person to overpower Denis in the whole list has been Dave. Started at the center and gave no quarter, and no comeback. Lupkes I think surprised Denis by not playing his usual waiting game a couple of years ago at the Arnold, and actually hit and took his hand. Denis pulled back through to pin Lupkes. All of his other losses were sketchy. Arsen hasn't beaten Denis clean without an obvious elbow foul in years. I do not disagree with the assessment regarding Dave's hand...though while cracked back he can still win. It is his horsepower. I've seen him do it. With due respect to Brzenk, he hasn't been relevant in the "elite" heavy/superheavy talk since about 2008. He is a legend, but his giant-killing days are over. I hope I am wrong because it is fun to watch. How do you think a match between them would go? I see it in the straps, and I think Dave's sidepressure is enough for Devon's rising backpressure. It is conjecture, but I believe that Dave's offensive attack is better than Tim's right now and that is what I base my whole opinion off of. Tim damn near dethroned King Devon, I think Dave could. I hope Devon's right gets to 100%, he was truly my favorite guy to watch pull supermatches. In regards to the Pushkar match, that was a whole lot of brains against a whole lot of brawn. I don't think anybody would say that Pushkar is a strategic armwrestler. He won the first, and believed that he could hit the same thereafter. Devon is way too smart for that. He never attempted a different set up, never tried different angles, never pulled any differently than he always has. On the whole, nobody is unbeatable. As much as I love Dave in a supermatch against Devon, I think he loses 6-0 to Michael Todd (and Devon still beats Michael @ 100%). In a round robin where everbody pulls each other 2 times with Dave, Devon, Todd, Denis and Tim (the 5 best IMO), I think Devon wins. I just believe that one on one Dave will beat Devon.
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Las Botha
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Post by Las Botha on Mar 18, 2014 18:08:34 GMT -5
Hi John, I was going to say this is coming dangerously close to one of those tiresome year of what vs best of who threads, but you guys pull it off nicely. Let's not forget that Devon had one foot in the operating room when he faced Tim, and Todd is a much-improved athlete today also. Pushkar was considered the world's secondbest lefty, and going up against that man when you have no experience with him takes some doing. Also, there are probably only about 20 men worldwide that can beat Brzenk today, that's pretty good for a 50-year old. But yeah, Dave is probably the strongest man alive right now. Didn't yourself and Wagner say a while back that you were going to post some video of Dave's 190lbs one-arm bicep curls?
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Post by Las Botha on Mar 18, 2014 18:11:57 GMT -5
If so, and there is no reason to not believe that, right, then Chaffee can bicep curl about 20+ Kg more than Denis. Makes you think.
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Post by Giles Russell on Mar 18, 2014 18:44:45 GMT -5
Look, all of you guys are CLUELESS! I will be pulling with Devon this Thursday night. After that, I will let everyone know if he's ready or not. He needs to focus on how he's gonna deal with me right now then, he can get to worrying about Dave.
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Las Botha
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Post by Las Botha on Mar 18, 2014 19:01:55 GMT -5
The litmus test right here ^^^
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Post by John Milne on Mar 18, 2014 19:43:27 GMT -5
Look, all of you guys are CLUELESS! I will be pulling with Devon this Thursday night. After that, I will let everyone know if he's ready or not. He needs to focus on how he's gonna deal with me right now then, he can get to worrying about Dave. friendlying right Giles If he gets out of line... DD friendlying T time
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Post by John Milne on Mar 18, 2014 19:45:02 GMT -5
God dammit
Fvcking spell checking sh1t fvcker
DDT dammit.. DD fvcking T
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Post by Giles Russell on Mar 18, 2014 20:03:26 GMT -5
LMAO Milne! Good stuff
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Post by Giles Russell on Mar 18, 2014 20:06:04 GMT -5
God dammit Fvcking spell checking sh1t fvcker DDT dammit.. DD fvcking T Future-A! You just DDT'd the spell checker.
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Mar 18, 2014 20:47:14 GMT -5
IMO No one is touching Dave Chaffee right now. You cannot be a knowledgable armwrestler and think otherwise. I think Devon takes a back seat until proven otherwise. WAR CHAFFEE
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Post by John Milne on Mar 18, 2014 22:07:43 GMT -5
IMO No one is touching Dave Chaffee right now. You cannot be a knowledgable armwrestler and think otherwise. I think Devon takes a back seat until proven otherwise. WAR CHAFFEE T R O L L JOB
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Post by John Schnell on Mar 19, 2014 11:02:13 GMT -5
IMO No one is touching Dave Chaffee right now. You cannot be a knowledgable armwrestler and think otherwise. I think Devon takes a back seat until proven otherwise. WAR CHAFFEE I disagree with the connotation in this statement. Devon is still the man in professional supermatches, the injury doesn't change that. Once he is healed 100%, it is Dave or anybody else's job to take that from him. My opinion is that Dave could, but hasn't yet had the opportunity. Until you beat the man, you can't be the man...Woooooooooo
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Post by John Wilson on Mar 19, 2014 12:55:25 GMT -5
Until you beat the man, you can't be the man...Woooooooooo ^Sir Richard Flair This is one of those times when common vernacular proves superior to proper grammar. However, I do salute your total unwillingness to sacrifice our language to impropriety, John.
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Post by Robert Drenk on Mar 19, 2014 17:07:19 GMT -5
Just to throw some fuel on the fire, both guys are amazing athletes but neither would beat the Monster Michael Todd in an Ultimate Match Up format. I see Dave beating Devon simply because of the surgery however that match wouldn't even happen for that exact reason. Suggesting that it's a fair match up or a match up that would take place has ZERO substance. This is kinda like asking who would win Alexey or John? It's silly.... Now onto the only person whom I think could beat Dave right now, the Monster Michael Todd! This is the man that's unbeaten in almost 3 years of pulling with UAL, Armwars and PAL! Michael took Jerry Cadorette out after some long crazy matches! His endurance is the key, his ego drives him and his heart won't let him lose! I'd gladly give Dave a one on one match best of 5 and put up a wager backing Michael of $10,000 this could gladly be held anywhere. UAL, WAL I don't care! Here is Michaels record since July 2011: (He Has NEVER lost to Dave or taken even a single round loss to anyone for that matter since July 2011) Oct 2011 Ruman Draganov 6-0 Jan 2012 Andre Puchkar 6-0 April 2012 Modestas Gragaitis 6-0 June 2012 Sergei Tokarev 6-0 Sept 2012 Richard Lupkes 6-0 Nov 2013 Richard Lupkes 3-0 March 2013 Jerry Caddorette 3-0 July 2013 Dave Chaffee 3-0 With all of this said, I think Dave is an amazing athlete and very cool guy, I'd actually like to see this match but I think the better match for him would be Jerry Cadorette and that I'd give an even 50/50 odds. I see this as a great match up, Jerry's fast hit and massive power could prove to be explosive when it meets Dave's super hero strength in the middle of the table! Just my .02
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