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Post by Sharon Remez on Sept 2, 2006 3:03:00 GMT -5
I was also contacted by IPAA, I thought it was a good idea until I talked to Mr.pickup and he told me about the conflict with WAF. so i took his advise. But i wanted to compete there also. With clean armwrestlers.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 2, 2006 5:16:12 GMT -5
Sharon,
we all want to compete with clean armwrestlers but how can you be sure that you will be competing against the clean athletes when you will be pulling in your pro events no matter if it is IPAA or PAL as long as there is no doping test?
will PAL perform doping test in your upcoming event against Ivakin Taras? so there will not be much difference between pulling in PAL and pulling in IPAA for just because an athlete did not use steroids in WAF or EAF(because they perform doping tests) it does not mean he-she will not use it in the pro events (because there is no doping test).as long as there is no doping test there will always be a "posibility" for steroid use in that event.
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Post by jamesretarides on Sept 2, 2006 8:16:25 GMT -5
I wonder if Fred or Willy are going to respond any further. If not, maybe the person writing letters for them will or maybe the person that has wanted to write letters for them but has been to shy to thus far. As far as I am concerned that is about as lame defense as Barry Bonds claiming he didn't know what kind of cream he was rubbing on his skin. It was Oil of Olay. I can understand Sharon's stance completely. Everyone that is clean wants to compete against clean armwrestlers only, but banning a competitor that competes in events that aren't tested without a time-tested drug policy is the work of swollen-headed politicos that have thus far done nothing really more than copy and pasted a form-letter of a response on a couple of threads. Our events aren't tested and we don't comply with any of the WAF's standards (trust me) so does that mean that someone who competes in our events should be banned as well. VERY SIMPLY: the WAF is pushing and pulling with the IPAA, and that is fine. This should not give them the right to try to use Cobra Rhodes or anyone else as a bargaining chip, which is exactly what their trying to do. What they are really doing (which they'll realize once they remove their idiot glasses) is turning Cobra into a martyr against their cause. And I feel as though their damage-control techniques are doing nothing but further impacting their cause. If they won't respond to one of us, let them respond to all of us. Looks like it's going to be high phone bills for the next couple of months.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 2, 2006 12:39:07 GMT -5
Sharon: Who says you're pulling "CLEAN" ATHLETES AT THE WAFS? You will only know IF they place and fail. ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 2, 2006 15:00:44 GMT -5
Christian,
as long as they are not good enough to place let them pull non clean,does not matter.it is same in other sports too.only medalists get tested except in Olympics,there every athlete gets tested.for now WAF can do this much and it is better than nothing.every juiced athlete who goes and competes at WAF and EAF will carry the risq of being suspended and having a name to be remembered with doping.until WAF and EAF can do better this will be better than nothing as we already saw 6 positive samples (5 of them not certain yet-still waiting for B sample).
remember that if Khadaev's B sample tests positive too Sharon will take the gold medal at EAF,and this would not happen if there was no doping test.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Sept 2, 2006 15:06:32 GMT -5
I know But he doesn't want to pull IPAA because of the non testing, and possible drugged Pullers.....Which he still CAN face at the WAFs. Like at the EAFs
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 2, 2006 15:19:02 GMT -5
true,but at least he gets what he deserves even though after two months of waiting
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Post by Andrew Fournier on Sept 3, 2006 13:36:44 GMT -5
Andrew, USAA (United States Armwrestling Association) with Leonard as President and me as Executive Director have absolutely nothing to do with this. Please don't confuse the organizations. Denise Sorry Denise!
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Post by Neil Pickup on Sept 4, 2006 2:50:02 GMT -5
COBRA CAN PULL AT WORLDS..............TRUST ME HE CAN GUYS !!! As for the Artem Klimenko thing however lets be realistic he was suspended for one year for using numerous banned substances (which is very regretable in such a young man with his natural talent genetic gifts and understanding of the sport ) however he didn't honour his 1 year suspension and continued to pull regardless. So exactly how much crap is Artem supposed to have gone through what I haven't seen any thats for sure. He got suspended, ignored that fact, carried on pulling as he had always done for money...................... THAT BAD..........how did he cope I'll write to our government and see if the UK can arange some food parcels and other forms of aid ;D I would bring out the violins BUT they can't play for laughing ;D He was suspended and simply ignored the fact................... He was FULLY AWARE of the consequences and didn't care............. Please, come on Guys Lets leave the witch hunting at the door for a second and look at the bigger picture here................. Cobra is one thing, he has at no time been suspended for anything there is no justification for him to be prevented from pulling and as I have already stated after checking the situation out to the best of my ability I now know he is perfectly OK to pull in Worlds Manchester. I've even spoken to Andy about that fact. I think the issue is more a financial one for him which is fair enough. Artem Klimenko took the gamble and lost.......................surely then he would be expected to wear the consequences of that fact I am not saying Artem is the only one taking banned substances (he certainly isn't) BUT he was the one caught and was an exceptional widely talked about multiple World Champion, so sure the spotlight and pressure came down on him. Thats normal in the real world guys wouldn't you agree I would have thought that as fair enough or should Armwrestling be viewed differently than any other sport in that respect too Otherwise what the hell does everyone want drug tests for Cheers Neil
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Post by Ron Bath on Sept 4, 2006 6:47:57 GMT -5
Neal see you in 2 months, should be a great time.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Sept 4, 2006 8:32:41 GMT -5
Hiya Ron mate it better be worth it because I'm stressed of my tits right now fella ;D ;D BUT I can also tell you everything is looking great for the event which I know will be exceptional and I am absolutely suited to death that you are coming over to the UK to pull mate. You are a living legend of our sport Ron and the whole of Team Great Britain not least myself are delighted that you have chosen to compete in Manchester. It will be an honour to have you here mate Cheers Neil
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Post by jamesretarides on Sept 4, 2006 18:30:46 GMT -5
Neil, I have nothing against the one year ban on Klimenko and anyone that knows me knows I am against the use of steroids as much or more than anyone in this sport, I would just like to make sure that clean athletes are justly treated. I am sure you understand.
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Post by Neil Pickup on Sept 5, 2006 7:26:34 GMT -5
Thats fair enough James
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Post by leonard on Sept 5, 2006 8:48:55 GMT -5
Neil, Klimenko was banned for one year from competing in WAF events, PERIOD. Nothing was ever said about trying to ban him from armwrestling outside of WAF. Trying to reach outside of WAF to interfere with organizations that are not running WAF events is asking to get a law suit. I will tell you and anyone else that is listening, that if Klimenko came to Reno to say Reno Reunion he can armwrestle. If WAF tried any of that poop that they are doing to IPAA, we will see you in court.
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Post by enginterzi on Sept 5, 2006 9:15:09 GMT -5
IPAA has visited Turkey during last few days and i have been informed by them about very suprising things.
i have been informed that IPAA has put 200.000 dollars for the first year of their professional events without making any money from these events.they do not have any sponsor that would cover any of this 200.000 dollars that has been-will be paid by IPAA to the athletes of the sport of armwrestling.i did not know about it and i am very suprised and honoured to know that this 200.000 dollars will be paid only to attract the publics about armwrestling.i personally believe that this is a great thing for both armwrestlers and for armwrestling.of course that in the future IPAA will be considering this as a business but for now they gave away 200.000 dollars for these pro events in a year.
secondly,i explained to the IPAA about bringing John Brzenk to another country to pull a ranking match requires the highest amount in armwrestling.and they have decided to run two of the IPAA events in USA and Canada.these two events will have the title,ranking and the qualification events.i am in the south Turkey now and i will be at home some hours later to explain these things.but in short i can say that IPAA will bring Khadaev for Hutchings,Klimenko for both Brzenk and Bagent,Cesur Aliekberov for Cobra and Fareed n Alan Karaev for eachother to face in USA.
so i personally believe that the desicion of IPAA about bringing the eastern Bests to the house of the best will be an enough move to satisfy every complaining that has been stated here before.
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