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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Dec 18, 2006 11:54:15 GMT -5
I don't know what to call it, but after watching my first match with Chad Silvers at Mohagan I have decided it is one of the two.
In our first match we had a long hook war that ended in a parallel pin,but after seeing it on ESPN I noticed that for the last 10 secs. or so Chad's hand wasn't even close to touching the peg including the time of the pin......how do you miss that?
Where we were in that hook was a very familiar and comfortable position for me,so the question is if he had his hand even remotely on the peg and not been able to drop his body that much more would he have been able to secure the pin when that is a power zone for me??
Check it out again,I know refs miss calls,but ESPN was close up on the pin side and his hand,It didn't slip off it was never on.....even the commentator said " Looks like Chad gets away with one"
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Post by leonard on Dec 18, 2006 12:02:02 GMT -5
You ever make a mistake Rob? It happened to me once. It is easy to get caught up in watching for the pin and not look over to the peg. I did notice that he was touching the peg when he pinned you in the finals.
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Post by Mark Evans on Dec 18, 2006 12:16:51 GMT -5
They did miss that call Rob.
Watching the Cobra vs. Mike McGraw match on pulling John.com they missed a huge elbow foul by Cobra. Mike pointed it out but got no love from the officials.
I was judging boxing this last weekend and was accused of "F_ _ _ _ D Up judgeing.
People make mistakes, that includes officials.
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Post by guy on Dec 18, 2006 12:17:24 GMT -5
Its a good Point Rob. But Refs do make mistakes and do get caught up in watching. Then there a refs that dont know how to properly set up a refs grip which i experienced recently.
Maybe the peg hand miss would have made the outcome change, Possible ? But Id say what hurt the most was how little rest you guys got between matches as the final four was called. Chad was definately in the drivers seat at that point waiting . You pulled great !!!
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Post by leonard on Dec 18, 2006 12:20:23 GMT -5
Rob you did look great. I would guess you will use different strategy on Chad.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Dec 18, 2006 14:07:48 GMT -5
It was a missed call. Can't argue that. I don't know if I'd call it a "raw deal", as that implies some level of intention on the part of the ref, but it was a missed call.
It's hard to get too worked up over it, though, since Chad was in total control that match and you had your rematch in the finals.
Compare that to Freeman fouling out against Guevin. The second false start was very debatable, and as a result, IMO, the lesser puller won.
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Post by guy on Dec 18, 2006 14:16:00 GMT -5
It's hard to get too worked up over it, though, since Chad was in total control that match and you had your rematch in the finals. ill say something again on that. Yes Chad had control, But Rob unlike most likes to pull from there. Just look at a couple of his wins at the Unifieds. And as I mentioned above it was almost unfair to have only a minute to rest between matches and have to Pull georgie and Bill Sinks than Chad right away in final to please the filming of the event. Chad won and deservingly so, but these are valid points too |
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Dec 18, 2006 14:29:05 GMT -5
It's hard to get too worked up over it, though, since Chad was in total control that match and you had your rematch in the finals. ill say something again on that. Yes Chad had control, But Rob unlike most likes to pull from there. Just look at a couple of his wins at the Unifieds. And as I mentioned above it was almost unfair to have only a minute to rest between matches and have to Pull georgie and Bill Sinks than Chad right away in final to please the filming of the event. Chad won and deservingly so, but these are valid points too I can't debate here or there whether Rob likes to pull from there, but I know that, generally speaking, it's never good to be in a losing position against Chad. Your point on rest between matches is a legit one. In fact, it's more worthy of discussion than the peg issue. |
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Post by Dustin Morgan on Dec 18, 2006 15:15:31 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the ref warn Chad about keeping his hand on the peg in that match? And then even after the warning he finished w/o his hand on the peg anyway? I know he was warned about the peg, I'm just not 100% sure which match it was.
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Post by Mark Evans on Dec 18, 2006 15:39:58 GMT -5
His hand was not touching the peg before or at the time of the pin. No warning was given in the match (1st) being discussed.
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Post by Toddzilla on Dec 18, 2006 15:47:02 GMT -5
Raw Deal !
It is widely known that it was fixed so it would look good on "TV".
The banter between the commentators was worked out ahead of time and required James Smith or Chad Silvers to win. Since Smith wasn't there they needed Chad to win, so the refs overlooked the free hand foul while Chad was pinning you in a hook. If the pin didn't happen you probably would have been fouled out. In the finals they would have overlooked it again while he pinned you in a top roll. The refs had to be in on it or you obviously would have smashed everybody. How could that possibly look good on TV?
Take heart. It was all done to support the sport. You have to bust some eggs if you're gonna have an omelet. Lot's of people like sausage, but don't like seeing it made. You'll probably win later when your TV persona is more fully developed.
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Post by Mark Evans on Dec 18, 2006 15:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Dec 18, 2006 18:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by Bill Collins on Dec 18, 2006 19:14:05 GMT -5
I don't know what to call it, but after watching my first match with Chad Silvers at Mohagan I have decided it is one of the two. In our first match we had a long hook war that ended in a parallel pin,but after seeing it on ESPN I noticed that for the last 10 secs. or so Chad's hand wasn't even close to touching the peg including the time of the pin......how do you miss that? Where we were in that hook was a very familiar and comfortable position for me,so the question is if he had his hand even remotely on the peg and not been able to drop his body that much more would he have been able to secure the pin when that is a power zone for me?? Check it out again,I know refs miss calls,but ESPN was close up on the pin side and his hand,It didn't slip off it was never on.....even the commentator said " Looks like Chad gets away with one" Hey Rob, Damn your right about the hand on the peg, I was refereeing that match, I was concentrating on the joint on your wrist, I blew the hand off the peg call....After reviewing that match ,if I felt you could come back from that deep hook I'd really felt bad, two inches off the peg it not going to drop his body to the extreme where is was win or lose situation, buy ya never know..... Reguardless the hand off the peg was missed call, one foul on the referee... Oh yea your post should be call missed by referee Bill Collins instead of raw deal or bad reffing!! |
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Post by leonard on Dec 18, 2006 19:25:25 GMT -5
That is the words of an World Class Referee.
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