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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 8, 2005 17:16:07 GMT -5
So then if your friends or family even was involved in satanism BUT they were not aware of it and you were. Would stand up and fight it or would you say nothing. In hopes that your lifestyle will change them.
Key point the objective of deception is that you dont know you are decieved. They will continue in their satanism if you say nothing. For anyone who knows the truth if they sit back and do nothing are just as guilty as Satan.
Many people in the church im talking about the protestant denominations. Many people in the church today are so tremendously decieved in their doctrines. But they think they are doing good things and Gods will when it couldnt be the farthest from the truth. As long as they think they are doing God will they will never change. This is the nececcitty of exposing error. Unless it is expose noone will ever know.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 9:35:26 GMT -5
This also is not my opion it is simple fact check it out.
The popes name "Vicar of Christ" (my opinion: the most blashemous name of the pope)
or in latin
"VICARIVS FILII DEI"
these are roman numerals for 5 1 10 1 5 150 1 1 500 1
dont add the same number more than once and you get
666
Revelation 13:18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Apr 9, 2005 11:46:03 GMT -5
I know bush has nealt at mosgues, prayed in churches and in synagogues. I think he might have even prayed at a buhhdihst temple, not sure of that one. This is Blasphemy. Ryan I totally disagree with you. It is a mere simple sign of respect. Blasphemy is the "only" unforgiveable sin which is the total rejection of Christ, and that would put Bush as going to hell in your book. You are incorrect, because Bush is a Christian. So if I were ever to visit a Buddist temple some where in the world and decided to pray to God, then I am blasphemous? Not quite........ The only way your name is written in the lambs book of life is when you acept christ as savior. quote] By saying this I would say that George Bush is written in the lambs book of life, because again, he is a Christian. Once you accept Jesus Christ as you Lord and Savior, your name is written. Thats what it says in the Bible doesn't it? Why cant i interpret the bible? its clear and open to be interpreted. But then again Just like the mormons and jehovahs witnesses you cant interpret the bible unless you are a bishop of the catholic church, right? gee what a comparison. I wonder if there is a connection Ryan I realize that you are extremely strong in your Christian faith and I respect that. I come from a family where you were taught to live by the Bible as though it were an instruction book of life. My grandfather was one of the most knowledgable pastors in the entire Southern Baptist Convention. He had his Dr's degree in Theology and could also speak Greek and Hebrew fluently. I wish he would not have died so early in my life, because I was only one month away from being 13 and his ability to teach was like no other. I have never met a person who disliked or hated my grandfather, because he was the most loving and respectful person you would ever meet. To this day I still have people who hear my last name, and ask if I was related to Dr. Joel Lucas, because whatever the encounter was, they said he was a very respectful and loving man. I very rarely talk about my grandfather, because even though July 16th marks his 14th year being gone, I am still missing him no less than that day. I wish he were still alive, because I would definately have you meet with him and hopefully teach you some of those same things that you lack. I know you peronally and I also know that you are a kind and loving person, but you truely lack respect for others when it comes to religion. To compare Catholic Christians to Mormonism is totally out of line, and I see how people get so offended. Jesus never forced his word upon anyone. Leave the judging up to God. Im not condemning anyone. Im not judging anyone. Ask anyone who knows me personally i would hope they would say im the last person to have an "attitude" You have already passed judgement against our president. And Ryan your attitude stinks. LOL J/J This also is not my opion it is simple fact check it out. The popes name "Vicar of Christ" (my opinion: the most blashemous name of the pope) or in latin "VICARIVS FILII DEI" these are roman numerals for 5 1 10 1 5 150 1 1 500 1 dont add the same number more than once and you get 666 Revelation 13:18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Now I am Baptist so this does not pertain to my denomination. Are you saying that the Pope is not a Holy man and is representing the mark of the Beast? All those numbers have me confused. I know what Roman Numerals are, but there are too many variables. Is their a mean, median, or a mode for that set of numbers, or maybe probability. Kinda like the world trade center bombing on a $20.00 bill. See ya at practice Monday
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 12:02:35 GMT -5
Olin, First i would like to point out in your second "qoute" you misqouted me. Ya gotta fix that I stated before and Engin agrees. That if a Christian kneels at a Muslim alter without denying christ as the Son of God That is DISRESPECTFUL to the muslim. Also It is disrespectful to God to kneel at another alter. All through out the bible God commanded his people To tear down the alters of false Gods. Not to bow or kneel to show them respect. It is blashpemous. Blasphemy is the unpardonable sin. It is the total rejection of God. If you deny or denounce christ as Savior you have committed blashpemy. Because Christ is the only way to the father and through faith in his blood. If you deny that there is noway to be forgiven of any sin. Jesus said that you should not consider him even common or unholy. Basicly dont put him in the same box as other religions and false Gods. For you as a Christian to kneel at a buddhist temple or a mosque. Is absolutly disrespectful to the concept that Christ is the Son of God. Your name can be erased from the lambs book. How? By walking away from Christ, By accepting another, by ignoring him as a friend, savior and God. Your name is earased when you become divorced from God. The only grounds for divorce in the bible is a lifestyle of adultery. When you bow to another alter this is spiritual adultery.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Apr 9, 2005 13:08:39 GMT -5
Ryan,
If I am on Bourbon St. and I feel like kneeling in the middle of the street and praying, it does not make me wrong, just because I am in an environment of sin. Did you hear George Bush denounce Christ being the son of God at that altar? I didn't. So you mean to tell me that if you visited a foreign country and visited one of these mosques, etc. you cannot pray to God in Heaven while there? B.S. You can talk to God anywhere, anytime, and anyhow. If you want to go start trying to tear the walls of some idolic temples or false gods down, then you go right ahead. The context of the Bible was written in times where that might fly. Try it now, you won't get the first demolition crew out to it before you have been mutilated. I see where you are coming from, but in 2005 it doesn't make it standard policy anymore. You are trying to break out a freakin scientific formula and put everything under a microscope. I know you like to argue your points, and you do it quite well. I will never lose an argument over the Christian faith. It's impossible. I have only now chosen to speak up. Picture me like you now, but only in an argumentative state; however, I do agree with you on the grounds of spiritual adultery.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 14:51:58 GMT -5
You are welcome to pray anywhere and any place. Your missing the point of Bush(or anyone for that matter) kneeling at those alters.
Bush said this, that we must reverence all holy scriptures and he including the bible and quran. Muslims, our friend has said, do reverence the bible. But they believe it was corrupted by Jews and Christians (which there is no point in history where Jews and Christians even liked each other to accomplish this), according to their beliefs. But Christians do not believe that.
it is Christian DOGMATIC DOCTRINE that you can not cal the quran holy.
Because it teaches that God had no Sons. Which is contrary to the entire foundaton of the christian faith.
If you pray on Bourbon street then Great! Yes it is an enviroment of sin. BUT if you kneel at there alter (take part in their sin) to show them "respect". Then you have denied Christ in your actions.
I am not sure of their doctrines but i dont see how a muslim can let you kneel at their alters unless they veiw it as you confessing there is no God but Allah and that he had no sons.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Apr 9, 2005 15:56:26 GMT -5
He's the president of the most powerful nation on the planet. Do you think they are going to tell him that he cannot kneel? This is the last time I will repeat myself. George Bush is a Christian and did not take part in any sin. Jesus Christ said, "Love one another" however, he did not say, "Be disrespectful to Muslims, Islamic, Buddhists, etc." Jesus was very open in his teachings, and did not cast stones at those how did not want to listen as you are doing. Ryan it's plain and simple man, if someone wants to hear the Gospel, then they will accept it. If I have to nearly torture someone to make them believe in the Christian faith, then obviously Jesus was nothing to them to begin with.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2005 17:19:44 GMT -5
Your exactly right. And i agree. Except for the part about him kneeling/praying in a mosque. But that is something were just going to have to disagree on.
Check your pms
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Post by Bill Maenza on Apr 9, 2005 19:52:22 GMT -5
Olin - well said! Good luck in Vegas.
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