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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 2:13:26 GMT -5
Larry you really cannot be as stupid as you sound.....really you cannot. I as the creditor can attempt to collect any debt owed to me. Larry.....hello......anyone there? Oh and Denise did not remove the page. She just took the amounts off until I could come home and read the regulations for myself to make sure we were legal in posting the information. Guess what Larry "Rocket Scientist" Rehfeld I was right and legal in my posting of the debts owed me.
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 2:14:49 GMT -5
By all means, keep it posted then!!!!!
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 2:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 2:19:46 GMT -5
The Rocket Scientist has spoken so when you get abused by a debt collector and not a creditor please turn them in. I guess you really are as dumb as you look Mr R.S. formally known as Larry Rehfeld.
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 2:27:08 GMT -5
Leonard, you can attack me on a personal level all you want, I am not offended by it. Ask yourself a set of questions and try to keep an open mind:
1.) What were you trying to accomplish by posting the names of those whom alledgedly owe you money?
2.) What good did it do for the sport by posting those names and yet again causing more contreversy in the armwrestling world?
3.) Why must you insult others whenever you are put in a situation where you are backed into a corner?
4.) Could you ever just be a man and admit it was a stupid idea, and let it go?
5.) Why not run your business like any other and turn these people who "owe" you money over to a collection agency?
Just a few questions for you Leonard!!!! Try to answer them openly and honestly... Without deffering attention by makeing up innovative names for me..
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Post by Brittany Bordelon on Dec 15, 2006 2:37:36 GMT -5
Just to interject something here, although I realize it's none of my business... I personally don't know any of you, but as an outsider's perspective:
I don't think the issue here is legality as much as it is professional ethics.
Is what you are doing ethical?
Would you want the same thing done to you if the situation were reversed?
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 2:46:30 GMT -5
That is the bottom line, I am an advocate of taking armwrestling to the next level. The postings should had never happened and should had been handled privately. Could you imagine what would happen if someone from say, the olympic comitee was investigating Armwrestling for future consideration and saw a decorated official like Leonard posting as he does and doing what he did on his website? What good does bringing to the public these private matters do for anyone.
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 2:46:46 GMT -5
Larry I have answered already on why the information was made public.
Now for some questions about your conduct. 1. What business of this was yours? 2. Quotes of your name calling and over the top statements that have been proven false
hopefully one of these folk will sue your ass for defamation.
Denise and Leonard are idiots
As A matter of fact, I would take his side over yours or your super sidekick leonard anytime.
Denise and Leonard had no business posting this, and it is illegal for them to do so.
Your hole pourpose on this board is to stir up trouble. I hope pete and travis sue your ass for this one.
You, leonard, should be extremely ashamed of yourself and your childesh antics!!!!
Hey, could you imagine if all people ran their business this way? What a joke
2.) you and leonard must be at least forty or fifty and you are acting like 2 year olds
3.) It is not legal for you to handle this matter in the way that you are handling it
6.) You are shady
7.) Leonard is shady
12.) are you that broke that you have to handle your crap on a public board to make people look bad, well you did that, you guys look real bad
So Larry (R.S.) you really do hate me and Denise, that is an established fact. So I guess it shouldn't shock me that you are all of a sudden best buds with the guy that called your in laws "amateurs" when talking about their promoting abilities. But really........
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Post by larryrehfeld on Dec 15, 2006 3:00:50 GMT -5
Larry I have answered already on why the information was made public. Now for some questions about your conduct. 1. What business of this was yours? This became everyones business when you and your sidekick posted on this board and your website! you brought this on yourself!!!!2. Quotes of your name calling and over the top statements that have been proven false hopefully one of these folk will sue your ass for defamation.[color=Red] I hope they do, as they have every legal right too![/color] Denise and Leonard are idiots!!! For doing this, you are idiots As A matter of fact, I would take his side over yours or your super sidekick leonard anytime. Pete is a good guy, has already paid you 1200.00, and will pay you the balance. Give him a chance Denise and Leonard had no business posting this, and it is illegal for them to do so. [color=Red]Nothing wrong hereYour hole pourpose on this board is to stir up trouble. I hope pete and travis sue your ass for this one. Again, nothung but the truth, you take every opportunity you can get wheter a pac event or other, to try to create issues... Like asking certain people not to attend PAC events!!!! You, leonard, should be extremely ashamed of yourself and your childesh antics!!!! Any disagreement here?[/color]Hey, could you imagine if all people ran their business this way? What a joke TRue
2.) you and leonard must be at least forty or fifty and you are acting like 2 year olds True 3.) It is not legal for you to handle this matter in the way that you are handling it True 6.) You are shady
7.) Leonard is shady Since the first day I met you in Vegas, and I wont go into that12.) are you that broke that you have to handle your crap on a public board to make people look bad, well you did that, you guys look real bad So Larry (R.S.) you really do hate me and Denise, that is an established fact. So I guess it shouldn't shock me that you are all of a sudden best buds with the guy that called your in laws "amateurs" when talking about their promoting abilities. But really ........Leonard and Denise, I dont hate you, I just think that we would all be better off if you didnt continuosly try to stir the pot on this board. It is a common occurance as we have had many differences of opinion. I dont bash anything that you do as long as it is good for the sport. Pulling stunts like you did today are the exact reason why I had to take a stand. Pete is a great guy and talks alot of crap on the board. Pete and I have had many conversations as to what we can do to better the sport and how we can work together to help. I have put in countless volenteered hours to do what I can to help armwrestling grow. As a figure of authority and exellence in this sport you two should try to mantain a professional and positive influence instead of slinging mud... I am sure you will come back with another great insult or something, but step back and read the post again and ask yourself- what was your goal in posting what you posted on your site!!!
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Post by leonard on Dec 15, 2006 3:11:28 GMT -5
Larry the mud slinging was started by you. Oh and Pete himself brought it to this board not me or Denise. The purpose of posting the people that will not pay their bill on our site? The same as anyone else that posts a bad check in his business. The credit extended to Pete for the ability to pay for the jackets upon receipt was extended just because of him being in our sport. I would not have done that for anyone else let alone giving him the jackets at just above cost. So there should be a consequence to him going back on his word and putting me in this position. Your response to Denise and myself has nothing to do with anything other than hate for us. I have had to ask others to stop you from sending me hateful and demeaning emails and PM's in the past and this latest episode is just some more of the same hate for us and anything we do that you can try to bash us for.
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Post by Carey Nick on Dec 15, 2006 8:36:20 GMT -5
All this talk about not paying and calling them out on the message board make me realize. I owe Steve Merritt money and Chris "Razor Fire or Wire" Coletti still owes me $20. from the Hopkins/ Tarvar fight....I think Chris paid me for that one or did he?
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Post by Chris Coletti on Dec 15, 2006 8:54:51 GMT -5
I paid you. Steve M owes me 100 for the left hand overall he never did...Emerald coast team owes me my share of the overall prize money from the same tourny. Arm TV owes me 250 for a video they were to do that I paid back in 2001...I owe Taylor Merritt an x box 360....Who cares? probably just Steve's kid
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Dec 15, 2006 9:16:13 GMT -5
I owe James Retarides my life!!!!
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Post by Carey Nick on Dec 15, 2006 9:27:52 GMT -5
I paid you. Great!!! Now I can sleep better at night knowing that.
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Post by Shane Vasquez on Dec 15, 2006 9:27:53 GMT -5
Wow Guys!!!! This is a crazy one here!!!!! Ya know what? When i first started in this sport,I did not have a clue about this message board or Arm TV or any other Arm Wrestling Web Site? I just showed up at a tournament and started meeting arm wrestlers!!!! It was Great!!!!!Arm wrestlers and the people who run our tournaments are some of the Best people i have ever met!!! I mean that! in person i think all of you are wonderful people!!!! But this message board even though i love this board for the most part,I Really think it brings out the ugly side of arm wrestling? If someone who has NO Knowledge of this sport and was looking into it and came across this board i really dont think they would care for it to much? I know i wouldnt?Some of the stuff thats on this board just starts sh!t up with others....And think about it? If We were all at a tournament or dinner or anywhere,,,Just sitting around talking about some of this stuff i really dout it would get this heated? People get brave on this board!! It makes arm wrestling look like a soap opera!!!! Would Gary Roberts been banned from USAA if it was not for this board? No!!!! But thats just my opinion? Does everyone here on this board need to know that ray Jenkins and pete Are behind on their bills?I dont think so? Now Dont get me wrong here I Think Leonard And Denise are Great people!!!!They are very nice people and to me go out of their way to help out!!!They have done a ton to help this sport!!!! Do i think They should get the money that is owed to them?YES i do!!!! Do i think that we all should about who owes who what? No i dont!!!! I didnt say all this to start anymore trouble,,I just want this sport to get where it needs to be!!! And Sh!t like this is just holding us back! We have to all work together to help our sport we love get to where it needs to be!!!!! Hope all works out for both sides!!!!!
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