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Post by Dan Fortuna on Mar 20, 2005 19:12:00 GMT -5
Chris,
I have a summer armwrestling party every year .This year I'm turning 40, I would be honord if you can attend.You can armwrestler or hang out, or more importantly your more than welcomed to ref in my backyard any day.
Dan
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Post by Joe Lagasse on Mar 20, 2005 19:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by jamesretarides on Mar 20, 2005 19:53:37 GMT -5
Luke, have a little cheddar with your b i t c h and moan.  |
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Post by Chris Gangi on Mar 20, 2005 21:08:11 GMT -5
thanx dan
just tell my the date and time and i will be there.... ;D
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Post by Joe Lagasse on Mar 20, 2005 21:23:30 GMT -5
the elbow is required to stay at the back of the pad while being strapped....once you are strapped u have one chance to put your elbow where u want to on the pad.......how does that put a toproller at a disadvantage??? u cant apply any pressure while the straps are being set anyway...... how come everyone else is ok with it???
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Post by Jim Bryan on Mar 21, 2005 14:27:24 GMT -5
Joe,
If you get a chance talk to Reggie Ward. I explained the whole thing to Bill Cox while registration was going on. Reggie couldn't believe it until he saw the difference. If you use the strap efficiently, you can see a dramatic difference in pressure when the strap is administered in a upright vs back of the pad position. The back of the bad position while the strap is being secured definately favors a hook, and restricts the ability to toproll from a posting position. After demonstrating this to Bill, he agreed that it was definatley an unfair advantage to a person who favors the hook vs a posting toproll. Allso, no referree can tell you where to postition yourself unless you are in a referee's grip. Up until that point, the position and placement of the elbow is up to the competitor. I would recommend you try fastening the strap both ways and you'll see the difference. With arms postitioned at the back of the pads, the strap is straight down across the knuckles top to bottom. In a top roll post, the strap is diagonal from the knuckle down to the wrist. It's definately and night and day difference with pressure and control. The elbows at the back of the pad rule was introduced by Fred Roy and was disallowed by his former association because the referee cannot dictate the elbow position unless it has gone to a referee grip.
Hope this helps clarify things.
Jim
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Post by Steven Lareau on Mar 21, 2005 15:50:31 GMT -5
Jim, that cleared up a lot of questions that I had. I was always curious about the elbows at the back of the pad rule. Thank you for posting that.
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Post by Bill Cox on Mar 21, 2005 20:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by Jim Bryan on Mar 21, 2005 21:12:22 GMT -5
Joe,
No problem, and Bill is correct, the elbow at the back of the pad is the rule for Unified nationals and WAF worlds. If you are going to either you must be familiar with the rules governing these events. As Bill has stated, this is the correct rules for these events. Bill did alter them for Can-Am as per my request with the aforementioned explanation. Please do not misunderstand that an exception at Can Am is not the norm, and must be addressed if it is going to be an exceptable rule change at Unified Nationals next year. This will only occur if someone proposes it this year at unified nationals. I don't want anyone to get confused about the differenc between Can Am and Unified Nationals.
Thanks. Keep training and God Bless.
Jim
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Post by Mike West on Mar 21, 2005 23:53:39 GMT -5
Hey Jim, I was told there wouldn't be any rule changes till 2006, and still not sure how to go about getting rules changed, good luck getting anything changed  |
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Post by Joe Lagasse on Mar 22, 2005 1:40:09 GMT -5
Jim thank you.....I will definately check that out in practice. I hope I didnt come across as arrogant....I was more so sticking up for the refs than anything else. Again thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
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Post by Duke Sarkisian on Mar 22, 2005 6:51:19 GMT -5
let me see if i understand this....so now its not okay to put straps on with elbow at back of pad because it gives an advantage to a hooker.....but its ok to set it up another way so as to give the advantage to a top-roller....is that correct....  |
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Post by Chris Gangi on Mar 22, 2005 7:47:15 GMT -5
first off thanx joe for lookung out for all us ref's i'm sure i speak for all of us when i say we appreciate any and all the support we get.... ;D second...as far as the straps are concerned it is a rule at the nats and worlds that the elbow MUST be at the back of the pad...so why would you want it any other way at a local tournament especially if you a national caliber puller i would think you would want to get comfortable setting up that way....  just my opinion..... |
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Post by guy on Mar 22, 2005 7:51:37 GMT -5
good one Duke ;D
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Mar 22, 2005 8:05:29 GMT -5
ny refs suck!!!!!! lol
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