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Post by Bill Cox on Mar 15, 2005 18:07:24 GMT -5
Afetr reading all of the message on the Can-Am I thought I should respond. I thought the refereeing was great especially with the caliber of armwrestlers in attendance. No one likes to lose but it is not to anyones credit to complain about being cheated, train harder so that It doesn't happen again. I would use Chris Gangi at any event I put on as well as all the ref's from the Can-Am. Maybe some of the ones that complain all the time about referees should step up to the plate and try it. As for the Team Championships we have used the same scoreing for all past Can-Ams and also for the IAF points championship. You only receive one score, that being your highest finish at said event. If you enter 2 or 3 classes we don't make you say which will count, only your highest finish. This is the same for all teams, no one has an advantage. As for overalls we have never counted overall points. Suppose for argument sake that Cobra, Patton, Bath, Brezenk and Travis show up and form a team that counts all finishes, what team do you think would have a chance?? Also how many would even bother forming a team and paying the entry fee against those odds??. Again I thank everyone that showed up to pull and wish you better luck next time.
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Post by Chris Gangi on Mar 15, 2005 18:12:06 GMT -5
THANX BILL I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS.... ;D
as far as the points thing goes i believe the way you do it is fair...i never knew how you did the points before but now i know....
as usual the can-ams was an awesome event... i look forward to loon mtn..
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Post by Luke Eldridge on Mar 15, 2005 19:00:44 GMT -5
I don't believe a word of that..
In past canams that wasnt the case for the points.
We know that because we were allowed to see the sheats.
and this year we were not... Could you explain why nobody was allowed to see them? As far as chris reffing at your future events you will have to count me out...
Josh, I'll pull at whatever tournament you have as long as chris is not a ref. If i enter a tournament and then find out he is reffing i will forfeit. I will not pull anyone in that type of start he calls "correct".
Bill, as far as no one has right to complain about being cheated thats a bunch of horsesh**. almost everyone in the supers got cheated out of a good showing. eric and rob having the damn near 5 minute match because of fouls. (and then having to argue the point with the ref that he was not going to call the elbow foul). So who did make up those names that gave pete those no shows... and then gave pete and tim a bye? The entire tournament was run very poorly...and im glad that josh is going to be running it from now on...because he knows how to run them smoothly with no screw ups...
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Post by guy on Mar 15, 2005 19:06:51 GMT -5
Luke ?
So now Bill and gerry are cheating to allow Connecticut to win the team trophy. You are seriously dilusional.
and now they made up names so Pete could get byes.
If there were any cheating involved there Luke, Trust me, it would be the opposite in brACKING FOR pETE mILANO
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Post by Luke Eldridge on Mar 15, 2005 19:10:26 GMT -5
what ever you say...
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Post by guy on Mar 15, 2005 19:52:45 GMT -5
lUKE , IT'S NOT WHATEVER i SAY, READ YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE
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Post by Duke Sarkisian on Mar 15, 2005 19:52:50 GMT -5
chris is a great ref in my view...i`ve been friends with chris for a long time and i can assure you he lets me get away with NOTHING...lots of times i felt as tho i may have felt as tho i`ve been "over-straightened"..but in retrospect its actually me training with a bent wrist too much...therefore turning my wrist around feels uncomfortable, like its too far turned...then when i go home and think about it,i realize i have to train differently..just my 2 cents worth...and honestly..even if i did get muckled, i wouldn`t make those excuses for every match..and no, they wouldn`t set it up for pete to have byes...  |
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Post by Josh Shotgun Stark on Mar 15, 2005 20:05:24 GMT -5
Hey Luke-- I understand that you upset about the the match you had with Chris as the ref.Unfortunately, I did not see this particular match ,so I can not comment on the call in question. I can only say that the refs are human beings and no body is perfect. I do believe that Chris is an unbiased ref. I strongly feel that Chris DOES NOT ref to intentionally scr*w over ANY competitor.- As for how the tournament was run---Bill and Gerry did the best they could. Remember there were over 140 entries. and I know personally how difficult and stressfull it is to get everything in order and run a tournament smoothly. Of course there is always room for improvement!!!-- I can't tell you how many sleepless nights I had replaying the 5th CT Fall Classic in my mind---Thinking about what went wrong, and what we could do better next time. Again, no body is perfect. As for the future of the Can-Ams, yes, Josh and I would be honored to host the tournament but nothing is set in stone--I feel Bill and Gerry should be the ones to decide who the tournament gets passed on to. This is just my opinion, not Josh's-- Melissa  |
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Post by Tony Carpenter on Mar 15, 2005 20:32:12 GMT -5
Luke, how childish can you get. You get "unfair" calls and now you won't compete in a tournament that he ref's at.
You know what, I had a ref call my wrist weak flat out: do you think I'm going to miss any competition because of that, hell no. If you want to miss out on competitions, your loss.
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Post by Valerie Beach on Mar 15, 2005 20:32:57 GMT -5
Josh nicely said ;D
Melissa whats going on girl? I think it would be great if the can-ams were passed on to you two ;D
Vee
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Post by Garrett Stepsis on Mar 15, 2005 20:38:47 GMT -5
almost everyone in the supers got cheated out of a good showing. I heard it was yet another exciting year for the CanAms and regret not having made it up. I heard the Supers class was quite stacked with quite a number of top caliber contenders. How many people pulled in that class? When I heard that Peter Milano won that very stacked class, I was blown away. "This guy is really as good as everyone has been saying he is", I thought. Then I heard that Milano only had to go against one guy to win the class. Is this correct? I thought that was odd, given that the only time I ever had to go against one other competitor was when there were TWO people in the class. How did this happen? Were there many other people who signed up and paid only to get cold feet and drop out at the last minute? How does one win a weight class as stacked as that class was by pulling only one other competitor? I’m not trying to diminish anyone’s accomplishment. The Can-Ams is the premier event in the Northeast and simply to place top three is an accomplishment in itself. I was just wondering if someone could help me understand how this sort of thing can happen. |
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Post by Chris Gangi on Mar 15, 2005 20:49:32 GMT -5
hey garrett....
pete had 2 matches where the guy never came up to pull so that kept him in the winner's bracket and we all know when you are in that bracket you pull less than the guys in the loser bracket.....
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Post by Josh Shotgun Stark on Mar 15, 2005 21:15:18 GMT -5
Chris, you are my boy & I would keep you around for awhile  Sorry Luke, Chris is a friend for 15 years & I wouldn't allow something like this to get between us. I hope you still will come around. You pull very well & New Jersey is a pleasure to have around! |
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Post by Luke Eldridge on Mar 20, 2005 14:54:40 GMT -5
Josh, thanks for the compliment on being a good puller. but i wont be attending a canams again. I've talked it over with some others and thats my final decision.
Garret, as i recall he had to pull 2 people to win. so he basically went 5 - 0. 2 wins, 2 noshows, and a bye. I heard your going to Marocco's this coming saturday. I'll see ya there.
Tony, You should honestly get your head checked out.
you don't even know me and you have nerve to talk poorly about me.... Yes, i wont compete at another event he ref's at. You can call it childish or whatever. The way he wanted me to start seems "fair" IF we were on straight pads....not staggered. There was another match i had in the straps besides the one with Dan. I can't recall if it was chris reffing that one but, the ref wanted me to put my elbow on the back of the pad before going into straps...That puts top rollers at a disadvantage after being strapped.
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Post by Jean chicken wing Daigle on Mar 20, 2005 15:22:32 GMT -5
A respond to this Bullcrap about the ref's,if I complained about all the ref's that I don't like there would be nobody left to ref.
BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE Josh, Vic, Harry Z Bill Cox, Jan
and nobody at the NY armwrestling.
What I'm trying to say is " if I don't win It's the Ref's fault.
Get a grip Luke train harder and pull harder and shut up
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