Challenge or Pro Tournament

[Ryan Thames]

I get kinda bumbed out when i see something. When i was little i was on a baseball team. our team totally sucked!! we won 2 games the whole year but everybody in the whole league got a trophy.

So what i hate to see is armwrestlers getting treated like kids.

What im saying is i think there should less classes, and more significant rankings. I hate going to a tournament where out of 70 competitors 40 get trophies and nobody really cares.

Does that make sense?

[Christopher Myers]

That is more sense than you usually make Ryan ;D

I agree less classes the more prestigueos the event you need event that beginers can leran their way with like steve aid novice , c , b, pro

In Motocross which I used to compete in many years ago
you could not pull pro class just because you wanted to or thought you were good enough. you had to get your district card where they carefully tracked your standings after you won novice several times where upgraded to amatuer and could no longer compete novice after you won three amatuers you went expert after you won expert several times you could try out to qualify at a pro event no quarentee you got to compete unless you won your spot. Motocross may be a little more mainstream than Armwrestling but the mangement principle is better and it could be one of the reasons. Just because I like supermatches does not mean I would do away with regular tournaments at all !! or rankings
Christopher Myers

[Chris Gangi]

i do agree with steve black that would be an awesome way to not only rank pullers but to have tournaments like that, i think you would draw more people because the guy who is a C puller doesn't have to worry about pulling B or A level pullers.

[Steve Black]

Also not to offend anyone but if you are a "b" "c" puller wouldnt you want to compete against other pullers on your level just to gauge your own progress and be able to set more reasoniable goals. So you can reach them quicker


btw just for the record i would not want to replace tourny's w/ super matches. I just think it helps a tourny to have one or two super matches before. More ppl will come out to watch and mabey pull while they are there.

[Scott Latella]

I'm with Steve.. Not offended either. I'm a c puller and I want to catch and beat b pullers. I also LOVE to watch the best vs the best. So I'll pull in my class and hope to move up but I also want front row seating to watch Pay per view stuff like Sasso vs Bryan, Eric vs Bigwood, Johnny vs Reggie, Klemba vs Calero, King James vs Mike S ,Benji vs Joe . And Harry if you need a left challenge match I'm good. lol. So lets have some fun .

P.S. Steve the Vegas (over/under) has you and I in the straps at 2 mins. lololol

[Steve Black]

Scott don't know about you but im betting the over.

[leonard]

I disagree; one way that "B" and "C" level pullers get better is by pulling "A" level armwrestlers. You need to see just how strong the next level of pullers are. This is an individual physical one on one sport and the need to challenge yourself should not be underestimated. I tell amateur armwrestlers to pull up in the pros occasionally. They need to see how they stack up and to then go home and work on what they have learned. The same thing goes for the novice pullers. They should start pulling open and amateur weight classes if they truly want to get better. Novice is supposed to be there just to get your feet wet and to get you interested in the sport. It is not there for an armwrestler to camp out and never get better. ;D

[enginterzi]

everyone should have oppurtunity to pull open class.we can still have supermatches,but i dont like the level thing.everyone can have his own opinion about who is A or B class competitor.but doing this officially is humiliating and may discourage some pullers.if a person is thinking that he is not good enough for pro class then he can compete in amateurs.but if a person wants to compete in pro class,its not right to tell him that he cant compete with Brzenk,Cobra or with Bath in the same class."NO YOU CANT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH"??there has been great tournaments like yukon jacks,and they had the qualifications for this great event's final.but i dont think they stopped anyone to compete the qualifications.

[Paul Maiden]

In reality iam prob a B puller what ever this means iam outside the top 6 in the worlds but iam in the leading pack chasing them,the buzz of meeting these top guys gives me a rush unlike any other i can get from anything it gauges me everytime i pull them knowing which direction iam heading in,in South Africa my 1st to pull right and left were gainst Jan Germnus and the russian ntional champion i forget the name some ppl may have wanted a easier draw but after they beat me all i wanted to do is pull them again and again and again so for me to be denied this choice would be a crime. i beleive they will not beat me until iam at the pad no matter who it maybe but understand iam the underdog, and as long as i give 110% in every match iam satisfied in my heart,i have a long road to go in my journey but i will acheive it.

[Steve Black]

Lenoard i can see your point i only pulled novice once when i started pulling because i somewhat agreed that pulling the better pullers would only make me better but now seven years later i would not tell a beginer to do the same you have to grow first and learn the correct way to pull for yourself. A puppy can't run with the big dogs he needs time for hes legs to grow.

The top level should be special. What other sport can you just show up at and enter the pro class??

If you have 4 of the best in one class the luck of the brackets can have three in one bracket, and the other one in the lesser bracket where he smokes everyone and then the other three battle it out and one or mabey two of the best pullers of that class are out. So the final four won't be the best four puller of that class. Dont get me wrong brackets make a difference no matter how even the pullers are but its just an example that the pro level should be above all else. So it would really mean something to be a pro you would actually have to earn it. This also would only affect the big money tourny's where the pros would pull. All nationals and state tournys would not be considered pro so all the b & c pullers would compete after they win two nationals they could be invited to step up and pull a pro event.

These are just ideas i am not trying to change armwrestling to soot my own needs i am trying to show what difference i see between armwrestling and other pro sports so that mabey the sport can go to the next level. Sometimes change is good!

[Steve Black]

Engin everyone should want to pull the best guys you are absoultly correct. But they should have to prove themselves first. Also you said if some one feels they are not good enough to pull the top guys they should pull the amateurs i dissagree i have seen many pullers do just that and its not fair to the true amateurs that are there to compete. I have talked to many beginers after a tourny who were humilated and discouraged by a more experinced puller who should not have been in the amateurs. But that is a whole other subject that should be looked at a lot closer as well.

[leonard]

Most of the individual sports that the athletes are competiting in, not on teams, did not limit who could enter the top levels until the entries got too big. We are not in that position yet but with the advent of TV we could be there in the future. With entries only taken before the event, the draws could be posted with pullers put on the brackets based on rankings. ;D

[enginterzi]

winning two nationals to become a pro puller?you would have a handful of pro competitors.even when they let everyone to compete in pros sometimes there still is not enough pullers.you can get all the top pullers together in only great events like vegas.

as a pro,i have always been nicer to the amateurs than to the pros.i didnt write that everyone should want to pull against best guys,i wrote everyone should have oppurtunity to pull against the best guys regardless how good they are.if you think that you need more time for pros then you wait till the right time comes.for ex.James Retarides took 2. place in nationals and as far as i know he doesnt have a national title,but he pulled as good as the 1. place guy.i believe that Kenny Hughes doesnt have a unified or AAA title,so can they not pull in pros?

[jamesretarides]

Engin, that is very true. Kenny Hughes can hang with anyone when he is on his game. He deserves to be in the mix. Maybe elite events should change, but they shouldn't change drastically. Slow and steady wins the race.