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Post by Denise Wattles on Apr 1, 2005 10:46:10 GMT -5
Everyone seems to be so excited about the Challenges and Super Matches giving out $1000 or so to individual winners that I have a question. Don't you think that the money that is involved would be better used as prize money for a Pro tournament rather than awarding to to an individual? This way the $1000 or so could be split amoung several people in a class rather than one. Just curious...
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Post by Chris Gangi on Apr 1, 2005 11:03:21 GMT -5
i think supermatch's are great but if i had to make a choice between pro prize money and a supermatch i would choose pro prize money...because having prize money tends to bring out more pullers and that means more entry fee to put on an even better tournament the next time....
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 11:15:34 GMT -5
i agree with Chris,supermatches are ok but i enjoy to be part of and watch tournaments.super matches arent as excited as watching all the top guys pulling eachother in a pro tournament.as a pro guy i probably would make more money by pulling supermatches but enjoy a lot pulling different armwrestlers in a same event.there should be certain amount of money and there should be more than two guys to pull to win the prize.a tournament is much more exciting than a supermatch.i personally enjoyed Mike's pro tournament more than the supermatches between Travis n Devon.
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Post by Joe Bacca on Apr 1, 2005 11:21:47 GMT -5
I agree... I suggest that the winner of a SUPERMATCH should be given a BELT... and have SUPERMATCHES for each class... National & World BELTS... money SUPERMATCHES are quickly forgotten, but everyone will know who currenly has the BELT for a specific class & that person will be considered # 1 "BELT SUPERMATCHES ! "ProArmwrestler.com
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Post by Christopher Myers on Apr 1, 2005 11:26:38 GMT -5
Denise,
it is only my opinon but here it goes. No I do not think it would be better to have a whole tournament over a supermatch maybe if it was a hundred thousand to one person versus 10 grand for ten classes maybe. Armwrestling events and prizes are a joke I do not know why people show up other than true love for the sport. I mean we as a collective pay our own flights and hotels and food to far off places to win what? As Cobra always says a " HOTDOG" What other world level sports event do the competitors compete for such pittance? in professional golf no 50 in the world makes a 6 figure income. with the exception John B. ( being no 1 of all time ) and his ability to fly for free to offset his expenses I dont think anybody even makes ten grand a year. Why are the Armwrestlers self esteem so low to think we are not worth more and why do the promoters think a 150.00 or even 1500.00 is such a big prize for 1st place? and we should be greatfull ? for what ? being trained to think it is OK ? enough? when promoters do it for free I am greatfull when they make some money I am not greatfull. I mean at the Arnolds the womens figure and fitness models get all expenses paid to compete and the prize if they win is extra and what is sad what did our boys get at the arnolds ? the chance to break even for their outlay ? and only if they win !
I think the only promoter on the whole planet right now who does the right thing by the competitors is Igor Mazerenko
this post may sound bitter but it isn't I have accepted a long time ago the sad state of Armwrestling but if someone asks I will tell how I see it
I would like to say thanks to Igor for being a real advocate for the Armwrestler. I would like to say thanks to Travis Bagent for being the first puller who demanded to get paid expenses in order to compete..maybe it will set a precident and I would like to thank Dave Devoto for his attempt at somewhat of a decent amount of cash at a tournament ( Vegas 15-17 )
Even that is a joke though !! what about lefty's ? What about ladies ? they really get shafted
Christopher Myers
If people are offended by what I have said it is only my opinion it is no more wrong or right than anybody elses so no B.S. snips coming back
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Post by Joe Bacca on Apr 1, 2005 11:29:48 GMT -5
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 11:58:22 GMT -5
hmmm,i guess the man that his name was just mentioned as a promoter makes the most money in the world! by using armwrestlers.
armwrestlers;cvetan gashevski,shamil karajaev,andreas rundstorm,bogdan borisenko,allen fisher,tamas cutherashvili,got their expenses paid in 2001 pro league,since then many of the armwrestlers' expenses has been paid.
did they lefty's and ladies in zloty?why wasnt it a joke?or all of these are an investment words for certain ppl's future plans in USA?of course its:)i have got to learn how the things work by seing how ppl works.
armwrestling is a great sport and it belongs to the armwrestlers,not to the users.as a competitor all i want is fair competetion.but i see that certain ppl are ready to do any kind of dirty games just for the sake of their own pockets.its impossible to not to be grateful for vegas tournament,its impossible to be ungrateful about pulling john movie even it may never be completed because of ungratefulness of certain ppl.
this is sport of armwrestling,its not very popular yet.its not easy to find sponsors,i dont have a sponsor in fact i never had for a pro tournament.all those ESPN coverages helps armwrestling to be known by ppl.this is what i have been hearing by armwrestlers since i came to n.America again.we must have ideals but at same time we need to be realistic to reach our ideals.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Apr 1, 2005 12:01:30 GMT -5
Supermatches along with a tournament that has LESS classes.
They have generated quite an interest in the last year, along with this board that armwrestling hasn't seen since I have been involved in the sport.
To many classes will NEVER lift the sport...SORRY the truth. To less money with to many classes. There was a post recently were someone suggested there should be payouts for masters. Even though I am a master, I don't agree. Just the smae amount speard out over more classes.
I would rather have a shot at more money then $50 for a third place. SORRY! Cobra is right "HOTDOG " money.
IF you don't have sponsorship and you travel and payout those expenses to tournaments for $50- couple of a hundred is rediculous!
I know, I know, I'll get bombarded on the "to many classes " thing. So I will beat the dead horse one more time....Train harder to pull those guys who are 10-20 lbs heavier then you, so there can be more money payed out to those who aren't afraid to pull "bigger " guys or gals for that matter....Again go ahead and beat up on me.....Yes I'm 290lbs...BUT I have pulled guys up to 500lbs....So..And there are guys in my class that weigh less then me that aren't AFRAID to pull in our class...
BTW: I would LOVE to see Engin, Babeyev, Gasheveski and Cobra pull in a supermatch, rather then the 4 of them in a class of 20, where they just flash their way up to those 4...SORRY thats BORING.
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 12:08:15 GMT -5
should the rest quit armwrestling,or pull for free?
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 12:11:44 GMT -5
Christian,is that true that big daddy! is paying your expenses to have you for supermatches?  |
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Post by Joe Bacca on Apr 1, 2005 12:20:31 GMT -5
Supermatches along with a tournament that has LESS classes. BTW: I would LOVE to see Engin, Babeyev, Gasheveski and Cobra pull in a supermatch, rather then the 4 of them in a class of 20, where they just flash their way up to those 4...SORRY thats BORING. I sort of agree with you Christian... but would like to add that I think reg tournaments are needed for development (but are not easy to run)... and too many competitors cool down they don't know when they will pull, or pull one match per hr & end up getting injured in the process... this sport is very injury prone for that reason... something needs to be done about that... SUPERMATCHES are good when they have the competitors have best out of 5 matches... that makes it more interesting as well... maybe make it 6 or more... to show endurance too... "BELT SUPERMATCHES ! " ProArmwrestler.com
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Apr 1, 2005 12:23:52 GMT -5
Pull for free? We've been doing it.
Who is big daddy? And WHO in their right mind would pay a #3 or #4 puller to come and pull in their supermatch? ;D
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 12:24:05 GMT -5
its so nice to see all the new yorkers agree eachother:)
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 1, 2005 12:27:42 GMT -5
their supermatch?who are they?top 3 should get paid for sure.there are certain tournaments in a year that they pay money.and Vegas pays 2.5 times more than the best tourney in the world for 1.place.lets be some grateful.
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Post by Christopher Myers on Apr 1, 2005 12:50:22 GMT -5
Engin,
I love reading your posts because they are well thought out and most times insightfull. I dont mind someone disagreeing with me we all see things different and that is ok. But to me Zloty had no lefty or girls because the PAL does not fully support them yet. I am saying that having classes that you are not going to pay out on while others are getting paid stinks. Igor could have easily had lefty and womens and people would have filled those classes up but he was not going to pay so what would be the point
If I was Joyce king or Nicole Cisco or Malin Bergstrom I would be upset that first place womens is only a hundred bucks more than mens 3rd anf they only have 2 classes that just is too much weight for some
but you are not likely to ever be able to make all happy
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