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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 10:26:08 GMT -5
OK maybe not 'alot'..my mistake..I know of a few. I don't know enough to guess if he is or if he isn't. I would be interested to see a proper test done though...but if you believe that juicing is ok outside the EAF and WAF then there is no need. Are you saying that it's ok to juice ouside of the WAF and EAF? i didnt say juicing is ok i meant i dont have problems with anyone who is not competing WAF or EAF,but juicing for pro events.i just dont care because there is no testing there and when you go there you already know that its possible to meet unnatural pullers.these are not my idealistic opinions but my realistic opinions.if you dont wanna be cheated then just keep pulling at the tested events.about the off season testing no one could be happier than me since i dont know if any other armwrestler than my self who had more out of competetion testing than i have.
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Post by Tomas Micka on Aug 6, 2009 10:30:04 GMT -5
so why him only? because he just beat Bagent? I told you: I do not care who he beat. I saw the pictures and my opinion is: These arms in this age are not natural. who are these people? can you also point your fingers to each of them by implying who they are? When I know it, I can point. When I think it I can just say my opinion. Did I point my finger to someone? Where? I think someone else started. has Cyplenkov ever been tested for armwrestling? if no then how could he test positive? people with smaller muscles are for sure clean? so you can name only 2 Russians,Cyplenkov and Arsen but the rest you can only mention the country names but not their actual names,correct? Not correct. You can find waf and eaf doping lists yourself. I am sure you will find some more russians or ukrainians, I guess last year there were a few juniors? But that is not my point. Ok, Cyplenkov was not tested. I am not saying he is juiced. But I got eyes and I say I just think it. I dont need you to agree with me.
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Post by Charlie Minell on Aug 6, 2009 10:32:04 GMT -5
Andrew, can you be as brave about stating names from your own country as well? if yes then please be as bold as you can be to list all the names (that you believe using roids) from your own country as well with all your honesty and courage.if you do this then it will be obvious that your problem is with the steroids only and has nothing to do with a Russian beating an American last weekend. how come we never hear you saying similar things about any American puller right after they do something great? is that because all of the top Americans are always clean? or your balls are heavy only enough to mention names from overseas ? why not starting from your own ? maybe you are so right,no single top pullers from your country touches any roids and that is why you need to travel thousands of miles to accuse a Russian just proved you to be wrong about last weekend; I think Travis will actually hurt him...Travis is wayyyyy toooo much for Arsen, despite his lb. for lb. "bestness". Travis is WAYYY too BIG for Arsen. I don't want to see Arsen get hurt again. Didn't he seperate his bicep half a year ago? This is just my 2 cents, but this is silly. Travis will probably destroy him, maybe even injure him. we all can be wrong time to time,so dont make it any big deal.while they were here Travis didnt accuse Arsen for roid use,neither Arsen accused Travis for roids use. there is no single top armwrestler that is thought by the whole world, to be always clean.everyone thinks something about the top pullers and they also can write somewhere for the whole world to read that this or that top guy is juiced.i didnt say if you are right or wrong about your guess,i am not even discussing this.all i say is that would you enjoy a Russian to come on this board and accuse all or some of the top Americans including the legends for steroid use? would you even also join them about this accusation ? or is it about patriotism? when an American wins then "GO USA GO" even though if you believe that juicing may have been a factor in his win,but when a Russian wins then "you fu.king juicer".. again if your problem is about the steroids only then please start with the names from near you without hiding any single name by being as brave as you were when you made your first post on this thread. also is he the only guy that has sudden weight changes? he always dieted down from minimum 182 pounds to 165 and 171.then choosed to pull at 187.and we are not talking about someone who does these weight jumps at his 30s or 40s but between 17 and 22 years.once again i am not discussing about if your accusation is right or wrong just explaining that weight jumps at 30s and 40s should be harder than how its at 17-22 when you have high testosterone and hgh level .the problem is about posting on public forum as a sacrifice like he is the only one that you could guess.and these kind of sh.ts always come right after something like last saturday happen.just be objective Andrew,at least try to be.i think its wrong writing any American or Russian or Turkish or Slovakian etc name here concerning steroids without he is proven for using.why did you mention his name,is that because he is the only top puller in the world that you could guess to be roid user? or is that because he just beat Travis and you thought that Travis would destroy and hurt him? "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? " Great post Engin! You nailed it. But also don't forget that accusing, attacking, or just being disrespecting to the greats of our sport draw attention to the brave and cool dude who are being disrespecting. That's not a new phenomenon around here. And hey... it might even draw some attention to your new spectacular avatar that indirect might make people think you're an even cooler dude...
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 10:52:09 GMT -5
I told you: I do not care who he beat. I saw the pictures and my opinion is: These arms in this age are not natural. so is that the first time you saw an unnatural arm in armwrestling? if not then did you also share what you thought with whole world? When I know it, I can point. When I think it I can just say my opinion. Did I point my finger to someone? Where? I think someone else started. yes you pointed your finger to Arsen,at least Andrew was braver to do it openly. Not correct. You can find waf and eaf doping lists yourself. I am sure you will find some more russians or ukrainians, I guess last year there were a few juniors? But that is not my point. we are not talking about people who are tested positive.we are talking about people who didnt test positive.so no sense to remind me about positive tested athletes. Ok, Cyplenkov was not tested. I am not saying he is juiced. hmm then i must have misunderstood you.. I dont need someone to be proven, I got my eyes. Was Cyplenkov tested positively? No? So he is clean.. But what about his strange muscle balls? Some kind of cancer? Come on! . you just dont get my point..we all have opinions and none of us is stupid.we all have eyes and mind to judge as well.the problem is with pointing your finger on someone without any proof FRONT OF THE WORLD.i never wrote i agree or disagree with you.that is not what i am discussing now.if you have eyes i too have them as well but again we are discussing different matters.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 6, 2009 10:59:58 GMT -5
85 kg to 92 kg. What a huge leap!!! Arsen was a teenager just a few years ago. He is coming of age and his maturing body is starting to catch up with the unbelievable training he puts it through day in and day out and mental toughness he always possessed. First meet the guy, shake his hand, look in his eyes and make your judgments. What a bunch of childish statements from a widely known in very narrow circles, no chance of making it big in this sport, destined for mediocrity, miserable excuse of a man. At least your avatar picture matches your sorority girl ranting. Did you choose this picture before of after you separated yourself from your cohones and manhood. i don't like what You wrote Mr Pozdnyakov. It is absoultely no nice at all. These are juiced (read: weak) %@$%%# & who don't have balls at all!. They enter the competition and want to boost their small ego beating some clean guys.. end of Yes i agree we all shake their hands, and if they turn out to be very friendly, we should look the other way
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 6, 2009 11:07:09 GMT -5
.about the pro competetions i dont have any problems with personal choices,dont get me wrong,i dont support it but i just dont care. Good point, its too bad it wasnt better divided. The problem is On this board and in arm wrestling its all bunched together and some Pro heros get put up too high sometimes and there is controversy. If we had testing we could seperate better. yeah there are some users who just go to big meets and nationals where there are NO testing. This in a way seperates it but not enough. Not when joe shmo got 7th place when he deserved maybe 4th at nationals and so and so got first when he deserved maybe 4th
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Post by Steven Green on Aug 6, 2009 11:10:18 GMT -5
The short time I have been in this sport I can say you are a little naive if you don't think many of the top pullers use substances that are banned in other sports. I am not saying its right or wrong and I have no clue what kind of advantage it gives. But after spending all my high school and college years in a gym it is clear that it is common in the sport.
But if they don't test for it then no one should point fingers and you should just make the choice for your self and do the best you can either way.
I cant see how steroids would make you a great puller. I would think you would need the tendon strength and the technique before just the raw horse power. Is this true? I am still a rookie!
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Aug 6, 2009 11:10:38 GMT -5
I told you: I do not care who he beat. I saw the pictures and my opinion is: These arms in this age are not natural. so is that the first time you saw an unnatural arm in armwrestling? if not then did you also share what you thought with whole world? yes you pointed your finger to Arsen,at least Andrew was braver to do it openly. we are not talking about people who are tested positive.we are talking about people who didnt test positive.so no sense to remind me about positive tested athletes. hmm then i must have misunderstood you.. I dont need someone to be proven, I got my eyes. Was Cyplenkov tested positively? No? So he is clean.. But what about his strange muscle balls? Some kind of cancer? Come on! . you just dont get my point..we all have opinions and none of us is stupid.we all have eyes and mind to judge as well.the problem is with pointing your finger on someone without any proof FRONT OF THE WORLD.i never wrote i agree or disagree with you.that is not what i am discussing now.if you have eyes i too have them as well but again we are discussing different matters. I think you've got some very fair points here Engin. It's not really fair to accuse those who have not been tested positive. We should just encourage more doping control..will this EVER happen do you think?
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 11:12:37 GMT -5
We should just encourage more doping control..will this EVER happen do you think? yes it will happen as we are good enough to be at the higher levels.
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Post by Tomas Micka on Aug 6, 2009 11:14:31 GMT -5
so is that the first time you saw an unnatural arm in armwrestling? if not then did you also share what you thought with whole world? Yes I did (several times? Im not sure now). For example check "Germanus training" thread. yes you pointed your finger to Arsen,at least Andrew was braver to do it openly. Call it as you want. I did not come and said: He is juiced. I think its not brave, but silly. I just think it. Next time the whole board will be full of one guy I think is juiced, I will tell it again, do not worry. you just dont get my point..we all have opinions and none of us is stupid.we all have eyes and mind to judge as well.the problem is with pointing your finger on someone without any proof FRONT OF THE WORLD.i never wrote i agree or disagree with you.that is not what i am discussing now.if you have eyes i too have them as well but again we are discussing different matters. I would need some proof to say "He is juiced". But I am not doing it. If I say I think he is juiced ass, I do not need any proof. Till there is democracy, I will always say what I think. Peace.
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Post by enginterzi on Aug 6, 2009 11:45:54 GMT -5
ok Germanus,Arsen and Cyplenkov are the ones.i get it.
saying he is juiced would be a better way than implying in a sneaky way since both meant the same thing as no one is a stupid here.in your country (which i am sure has democracy) when someone accuse another person with some crime without any proof..does he get in any trouble with the law?
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Post by Eric Williamson on Aug 6, 2009 11:49:44 GMT -5
I am not surprised that Semerenko tested positive.
I would not be surprised if any of the top 10 tested positive. I would actually be VERY surprised if more than a couple of them tested negative when caught off guard, and I don't care what country they're from.
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Post by John Shaw on Aug 6, 2009 11:53:33 GMT -5
I have never commented on this, but I have read these posts. I think random tested tourneys would help grow this sport. There are lots of people that don't pull anymore due to getting beat bad at a tourney by someone on roids. Once the users are weeded out this sport will GROW.
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 6, 2009 11:54:49 GMT -5
OK maybe not 'alot'..my mistake..I know of a few. I don't know enough to guess if he is or if he isn't. I would be interested to see a proper test done though...but if you believe that juicing is ok outside the EAF and WAF then there is no need. Are you saying that it's ok to juice ouside of the WAF and EAF? i didnt say juicing is ok i meant i dont have problems with anyone who is not competing WAF or EAF,but juicing for pro events.i just dont care because there is no testing there and when you go there you already know that its possible to meet unnatural pullers.these are not my idealistic opinions but my realistic opinions.if you dont wanna be cheated then just keep pulling at the tested events.about the off season testing no one could be happier than me since i dont know if any other armwrestler than my self who had more out of competetion testing than i have. i can understand that way of thinking, but in the USA its not so easy. The more local you pull the more the % of users drop and could be 1-5% at that level.. The bigger events and supermatches it climbs to maybe 25-40% IMO
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Post by Guy Lasorsa on Aug 6, 2009 11:59:15 GMT -5
The short time I have been in this sport I can say you are a little naive if you don't think many of the top pullers use substances that are banned in other sports. I am not saying its right or wrong and I have no clue what kind of advantage it gives. But after spending all my high school and college years in a gym it is clear that it is common in the sport. But if they don't test for it then no one should point fingers and you should just make the choice for your self and do the best you can either way. I cant see how steroids would make you a great puller. I would think you would need the tendon strength and the technique before just the raw horse power. Is this true? I am still a rookie! The funny part is probably at least 70 % of the top guys that do it, may still be top or near the top if they didnt do it. ITS called the snowball effect on why , read my long prior post on other page. Only difference is the gap on a giving day wouldnt be as great as it is. Now isnt that discouraging to someone trying to guage where they stand ?
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