PEOPLE WHO BELEIVE IN GOD !!!

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John,i mean that he was quoting from Gospels.i did not say this verse was his opinion.how could he write his own Gospel in 3. century? the question is why did he quote that verse as "“There is none good but one, God the Father.”?

when did you read me saying it was his opinion? i do not care about his opinion,i pointed the way that he quoted Mark 10-18.

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just because some did not agree wih his opinions it did not mean that he was using a different Gospel,right?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen

Origen (Greek: Ὠριγένης Ōrigénēs, or Origen Adamantius, c. 185–254[1]) was an early Christian scholar and theologian, and one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church despite not being considered a Church father by some.[2] According to tradition, he is held to have been an Egyptian[3] who taught in Alexandria, reviving the Catechetical School of Alexandria where Clement of Alexandria had taught.[4] The patriarch of Alexandria at first supported Origen but later expelled him for being ordained without the patriarch's permission.

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some quotes from the letter of st Clementine (He was the first Apostolic Father of the Church).even though he was close with Paul he still separated GOD and Jesus in his letters (Paul never claimed Jesus to be GOD either);


To the only God, invisible, Father of truth, who sent forth to us the Saviour and Author of immortality, through whom He also manifested to us the truth and the heavenly life, to Him be glory for ever and ever. Amen


May God, who sees all things, and who is the Ruler of all spirits and the Lord of all flesh -- who chose our Lord Jesus Christ and us through Him to be a peculiar people -- grant to every soul that calls upon His glorious and holy Name, faith, fear, peace, patience, long-suffering, self-control, purity, and sobriety, to the well-pleasing of His Name, through our High Priest and Protector, Jesus Christ, by whom be to Him glory, and majesty, and power, and honour, both now and for evermore. Amen.


So, then, brethren, if we do the will of our Father God, we shall be members of the first church, the spiritual,--that which was created before sun and moon; but if we shall not do the will of the Lord, we shall come under the Scripture which saith, "My house became a den of robbers." So, then, let us elect to belong to the church of life, that we may be saved. I think not that ye are ignorant that the living church is the body of Christ (for the Scripture, saith, "God created man male and female;" the male is Christ, the female the church,) and that the Books and the Apostles teach that the church is not of the present, but from the beginning.


Have we not [all] one God and one Christ?



On account of the Love he bore us, Jesus Christ our Lord gave His blood for us by the will of God; His flesh for our flesh, and His soul for our souls.


This blessedness comes upon those who have been chosen by God through Jesus Christ our Lord; to whom be glory for ever and ever.

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revelation is a part about the heaven right? so no "EARTHLY JESUS" type of excuse

Revelation 3:12 (New International Version)

12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.



12-10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.


14-12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. (JESUS STILL BEING CALLED CHRIST OR JESUS BUT NOT GOD AT ALL IN HEAVEN BY CLEARLY BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE AND ONLY GOD).

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Mark 10:18: "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God."



Luke 18:19: "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, that is, God."



Gospel of the Naassenes [perhaps a reference to the Gospel of the Nazaraeans]

"Why do you call me good? One there is who is good -- my Father who is in heaven -- who makes his sun to rise on the just and on the unjust, and sense rain on the pure and on sinners."

[Michael Wells]

Jesus was still being tempted before the cross. He had to fulfill that perfect life. Once he offered his life on the cross and rose again, it became the Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit (whichever you prefer). At that point Satan hasn't been technically defeated and the only perfect one WAS God. That's my outlook anyway

[Cleve Dean]

Engin, I want you to know that you seem to be a man after my own heart and that I am impressed with your knowledge and your understanding as I am also with you John and I truly hope that by having such knowledge and understanding that it brings more responsibility on you both to not just know but to lead by example for to have such knowledge and not share is worse for you than for those who understand not

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I agree Cleve! but it should not be an excuse to say "i do not understand". do some people have more responsibility about searching the meaning of the life & the truth,than others? we all need to try for finding the truth about the reason of our existence.i agree that people have different capacities and we are responsible within our GOD given capacity.but i think we all are responsible to search the truth and do our best to understand the knowledge as much as we can.GOD would not send us something which is beyond our understanding for this would be unfair to us.HE is the most fair and i would never doubt HIS justice and mercy.GOD may not keep us responsible for what we do not know but HE may keep us responsible for not doing our best to learn and act according to.

6-152. ... We do not impose on any soul a duty except to the extent of its ability; and when you speak, then be just though it be (against) a relative, and fulfill GOD's covenant; this He has enjoined you with that you may be mindful;



btw, i am impressed by your questioning to separate your Faith from the pagan additions.it takes a great courage to do that and greater courage to share it front of everyone.only someone who fears GOD more than anything,could do that.


31-33. O people! guard against (the punishment of) your Lord and dread the day when a father shall not make any satisfaction for his son, nor shall the child be the maker of any satisfaction for his father; surely the promise of GOD is true, therefore let not this world's life deceive you, nor let the archdeceiver deceive you in respect of GOD.


we all are the children of Adam and we are NOT the enemies of eachother.we found our selves in where we born and it is our right & duty to question & search the truth.

i agree that we will not be judged by what we know only but by what we do with what we know.i like this part from the Bible;

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole [duty] of man.

[Cleve Dean]

I agree that it is our duty to learn more every day and to share it with others and that responsibility lies just as heavy on all shoulders and yes GOD is just above all others for he alone is perfect and through him only can you acheive. I say it is time for christians to stop being liberal doormats and become christian warriors defending our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS and witnessing to all others his power and glory and his grace

[Michael Wells]

Preach on Cleve!

[Ryan Thames]

Amen!

[Cleve Dean]

guys, i will be honest with you this is the one subject that i enjoy more than armwrestling. I am always willing ti discuss this subject and willing to listen

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Oct 23, 2010 13:17:23 GMT -5 John Wilson said:

Engin, you mention Origen frequently. Origen was a strong leader in the early church but he was a Gnostic. Most of his beliefs were not shared among church fathers.

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how about Irenaeus ? he also quoted mark 10-18 in the same way that Origen quoted.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus

Saint Irenaeus (Greek: Åἰñçíáῖïò), (2nd century AD – c. 202) was Bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, then a part of the Roman Empire (now Lyons, France). He was an early church father and apologist, and his writings were formative in the early development of Christian theology.


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i knew i was going to find the same thing in the letters of the other Church Fathers as well.Irenaeus was an accepted Church Father and he also quoted Mark 10-18 in the way that Origen quoted ;

From Irenaeus book 1;


"And to the person who said to Him, "Good Master," He confessed that God who is truly good, saying, "Why callest thou Me good: there is One who is good, the Father in the heavens; "

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Oct 23, 2010 13:17:23 GMT -5 John Wilson said:

Engin, you mention Origen frequently. Origen was a strong leader in the early church but he was a Gnostic. Most of his beliefs were not shared among church fathers.

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i found another quote of Mark 10-18 in the letters of st Clement

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_I

Pope Saint Clement I (fl. 96), also known as Saint Clement of Rome (in Latin, Clemens Romanus), is listed from an early date as a Bishop of Rome. He was the first Apostolic Father of the Church.


"Now, that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus is good, the Word Himself will again avouch: "For He is kind to the unthankful and the evil;" and further, when He says," Be merciful, as your Father is merciful." Still further also He plainly says, "None is good, but My Father, who is in heaven."

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so are these Quotes from the Early Christian Popes, Fathers, Bishops or Theologians,not proving a corruption on Mark 10-18 (why do you call me good? none is good except GOD alone)? it is clear that in the later times (Niecean Council 325) "THE FATHER" part of the verse is erased from the scripture to serve trinity doctrine.do not take my intention as an offense,i only try to show how the trinity doctrine (the greatest sin,which is against the most important commandment)) is developed.



Pope st. Clement;

"Now, that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus is good, the Word Himself will again avouch: "For He is kind to the unthankful and the evil;" and further, when He says," Be merciful, as your Father is merciful." Still further also He plainly says, "None is good, but My Father, who is in heaven."


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Saint Irenaeus;


"And to the person who said to Him, "Good Master," He confessed that God who is truly good, saying, "Why callest thou Me good: there is One who is good, the Father in the heavens; "


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Origen;


“There is none good but one, God the Father.”