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Post by Aaron Blevins on Dec 16, 2010 22:37:09 GMT -5
Not that I know much about AW, but swapping rankings on fouls is weak... Yes a foul means the one guy blew it. If I beat Shoemaker, Blevins, TRussel, Snook, SimonB, Owens on fouls I'd feel as if it meant nothing...... But a war with any of those guys means somthing. You might feel it meant nothin but it means alot. opinions vary. |
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Dec 16, 2010 22:39:07 GMT -5
great thinking Dan. You can rank the kids classes!!!!
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Post by Dan Benoit on Dec 16, 2010 22:58:12 GMT -5
Aaron....that would be a start....can i make rulebook or should i just guess like u wanna do lol? Like i said before the sport needs to grow.....please please tell me just one other sport that ranks people with no rules and a commitee....this is not american idol man....do u really not see baseball starts as t-ball...when ur 4....no wonder noone ever takes the sport seriously....ur makes jokes on me because im following the nfl, mlb, and everyother multibillion dollar sport that starts with kids....please open ur eyes and do some research on how a sport evolves....and see if u wanna look like a jackass and post somethin like that again....im truly sorry man but I bet if my profile pic didnt look like I was 19, and instead 50....u wouldnt have bashed me like that...everyone knows sports start with kids.....there even selling kids beer pong tables that they dont put alcohol in....I went to a small tourney in vermont u never heard of and they had a crapton of pullers bc people brought there kids...and the kids dads got interested too??? Im not trying to hate but cmon someone, please give some feedback
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Post by James Worke on Dec 16, 2010 23:05:53 GMT -5
If I were to ever beat OWENS on fouls, id take it. Means i had him in a position that he was losin & he was tryin to change it & couldnt do it. Sure id like to beat him in a war, but matches are won & lost off others mistakes most of the time.
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Post by David Owens on Dec 16, 2010 23:34:43 GMT -5
No rulebook dan, let's move on........the point of have a group of people making the desisions is so several opinions can whey in on the same subject and not force everyone to conform to one standard............we have a rulebook for armwrestling but we don't need one to rank armwrestlers
On kids classes, kudos to tournaments that have them, I for one know what kind of time it takes to run a tournament and how adding kids classes mostly slows the process, many pros already think of novice classes as just more time they have to spend at the venue, even heard pullers say they wish orgs would do away with left handed classes.........on a personal note I wont let my kids pull until they are in their teens and even then I am weary of the danger they are in at a young age
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Post by Giles Russell on Dec 16, 2010 23:43:38 GMT -5
It was because you looked 19? Oh, I thought Aaron was just clowning you because, your profile pic looked soft ass hell....or was it because, you got way off topic in a rankings discussion and started talking about how "you believe that children are our future...set them free and let the lead the way.....show them all the beauty they possess insiiiiide......" Kids suck. Puppies too. We hate em. I saw Blevins push one in the mud the other day.
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Post by Dan Benoit on Dec 17, 2010 0:03:21 GMT -5
we need a rulebook David, lets move on....the point of having a rulebook is so its not opinionated....exactly we need teenagers....i might agree 4 is too young to start but everyone on the last three pages is right......THERE IS NO REAL SPORT WITH A RANKING SYSTEM(noone gave an answer)....no wonder we cant pursue our dream to be in the olympics......good job guys....i was gonna prove u guys wrong saying even beer pong has a ranking rulebook but i was wrong....it was only successful sports....imma go play college football.....they have a system....do u guys really believe joe dick and harry should combine there results and be like ok.....if u wanna be a good ranked armwrestler....travel as much as u can....and if ur really on top people will see that...I see its hard to travel to tournaments for everyone....but in mlb its not....if u can pitch the ball over 95 u will be in the pros and they will pay you. to do that you have to start young....This sport cannot be changed from a drunken bar brawl to real, overnight. We really need to get kids involved.....look at a good aw'er like brenk he started young? he had a world title at an age younger than i am now. And personally I wish I would have started ten years ago....as far as letting your kids start when there older.....thats bs.....football starts in pop warner....like i try to explain to my friends....Me nor anyone on the last three pages would qualify for the olympic team.....none of us.....were all scared....let there be real rules
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Post by Giles Russell on Dec 17, 2010 0:09:27 GMT -5
Dave, you're on roll my friend. Great points. Rankings rulebook? WTF? Kids classes? If someone wants to grow the kids sector then, have a kids only tournament on a different day. Then, pray like hell that none of em' pop a tendon or break an arm. No way, I'm trying to push it on my 10 and 12 year old boys. With the way my $hit feels on a daily basis from pulling...no way. If they want to play around when they're older (and off my insurance...) that will be fine. Until then, I'll keep em playing baseball and football AND maybe even beer pong.....Once again, we have to get fans and spectators by entertaining folks with a quality product and put these events on in a timely manner. U can't get folks to watch a 6hr show and keep em entertained....Once we have demand from fans, the kids will be lined up to learn how to trash their arms.
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Post by Dan Benoit on Dec 17, 2010 1:13:11 GMT -5
Our quality product is u old guys about to retire? Alright man....sounds like a buncha bar dudes ready to drink and pull....OLYMPICS....here we come!!! the only new pullers will be sons of older pullers like bresans son and ethan fritchie? Im just tryin to make the sport grow.....Im bein serious here, did a unified football league start and then kids started playing at school....or was it vise versa....maybe im wrong about my opinion?
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Post by Dan Benoit on Dec 17, 2010 1:25:38 GMT -5
U wont Find a new fan unless the sport is considered real....They have dumb crap in the olympics....why arent we there? lets make rules.....nascar they beat each other back and forth....a points system would be great....but not a opinionated system....Thats what the Goverment does....i hope we get more input and make this right....sorry for gettin off topic btw....it is rankings....ill open a new thread....How do people feel about bringing new people to the sport?
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Post by TK on Dec 17, 2010 8:19:45 GMT -5
I agree with aaron ....I think the best way to make these rankings fair is have each member of the committee submit a rankings for each class and then average them togather, that way if aaron dismisses a win by fouls and tk doesn't it all works out in the wash, the best part about it is the group opinion and it will hold more value than any rankings done by one man Here's a simple suggestion on how to do this, each member submit a pm to tk ranking each class one to ten........then give points by rank in reverse order......so anyone ranked 1st by a member gets 10 points, 2nd gets nine and so on then add them togather and that will give us a combine ranking for howmany ever pullers get ranked, possibly more than top ten since some peoples rankings may have different pullers thanothers i like this idea....the only thing is.....i don't know half those guys on the list...so it would be depending on ya'll to help me with at least head 2 head wins..... and i beleive a small set of rules should at least give the pullers an idea that...... they pull multiple classes every tourney and lose to an under-ranked , then they should lose that spot....... fouls are tricky and they suck....they are a part of evry sport...some guys foul on purpose to keep from being actually pinned....maybe we can judge on it...... my thing is to eliminate the BS and get to the wins-losses...... i've heard every excuse in the book and i've given my share as well. TK |
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Post by TK on Dec 17, 2010 8:36:13 GMT -5
DAN,
THERE will be some rules, but we cant break down a whole books worth, the whole point of the commttee is to help each region get their earned rankings and weed out the BS.....and together we'll debate and argue out point as civil as possible....
6 guys cover the 12 states......we'll get it done and everyone will love it...trash it....then love it again!......
honestly on the kids class Dan, unlike football, basketball and other giant sports......some of these guys are right....it's a damaging sport to start these kids so young....i have my 5 year old who loves to go to the tourneys and he loves coming to practice and he pulls.....but i don't want him doing it until bones and tendons are solid....
i've got about 25 kids trophies i could show ya where people don't bring them to pull.....
i'm having a teens class at DSPW3...15-18....but i happen to know a couple of teens that are coming.
kids are our future!.....you are a kid....lol.......and a bad dude already.
Giles,
you messed up on the Whitney lyrics there....lol
TK
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Post by Anthony Edens on Dec 17, 2010 8:44:28 GMT -5
Dan,
Kids classes are a good idea; but as some of the others stated, they would need to be held on a separate day. Tournaments are too long as they are. We ought to start having Open classes first and even pass out the awards and money before the Novice pull.
Also, College Football and Basketball use a subjective/opinion poll for their rankings. I think it is a great idea to use the average poll idea that David mentioned. I believe what Dan wants is a standings based on wins and loses. We are similar to the PGA, they have a rankings as well because everyone is kind of a freelance competitor. Not everyone competes at every event.
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Post by TK on Dec 17, 2010 10:03:06 GMT -5
Dan, Kids classes are a good idea; but as some of the others stated, they would need to be held on a separate day. Tournaments are too long as they are. We ought to start having Open classes first and even pass out the awards and money before the Novice pull. Also, College Football and Basketball use a subjective/opinion poll for their rankings. I think it is a great idea to use the average poll idea that David mentioned. I believe what Dan wants is a standings based on wins and loses. We are similar to the PGA, they have a rankings as well because everyone is kind of a freelance competitor. Not everyone competes at every event. yes, win and losses vs top 10 could be a good stat...but wins-losses points sysytem will not get us to the best puller....i beleive you gotta beat em....and within the legal rules of a tourney..... another ? poses for me..... example: i'm no 10 and i beat no 5.....how do we move no 10 up?....and no 5 back.....because no 5 hasnt lost to 6-7-8-9.......and 10 hasnt beat 6-7-8-9-.....think about it. TK |
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Post by David Owens on Dec 18, 2010 10:38:42 GMT -5
I agree with aaron ....I think the best way to make these rankings fair is have each member of the committee submit a rankings for each class and then average them togather, that way if aaron dismisses a win by fouls and tk doesn't it all works out in the wash, the best part about it is the group opinion and it will hold more value than any rankings done by one man Here's a simple suggestion on how to do this, each member submit a pm to tk ranking each class one to ten........then give points by rank in reverse order......so anyone ranked 1st by a member gets 10 points, 2nd gets nine and so on then add them togather and that will give us a combine ranking for howmany ever pullers get ranked, possibly more than top ten since some peoples rankings may have different pullers thanothers i like this idea....the only thing is.....i don't know half those guys on the list...so it would be depending on ya'll to help me with at least head 2 head wins..... and i beleive a small set of rules should at least give the pullers an idea that...... they pull multiple classes every tourney and lose to an under-ranked , then they should lose that spot....... fouls are tricky and they suck....they are a part of evry sport...some guys foul on purpose to keep from being actually pinned....maybe we can judge on it...... my thing is to eliminate the BS and get to the wins-losses...... i've heard every excuse in the book and i've given my share as well. TK we will have to help each other as well as take into consideration input from other members of the board to be able to get accurate rankings, I don't know every single armwrestler who may be on the top ten but if some one puts a name on there I don't know I can do the research or ask input. so lets set this up, 1st set of rankings in by the end of year? as far as adjustments go maybe turn in a rankings set every two weeks or month, granted they may not change much in two weeks so it should be easy enough to update, but we do need a schedual as to when our individual rankings should be in so you can avarage them up also each individuals rankings doesnt have to be public knowledge, the only one that matters is the averaged combine rankings so pms will be the best way to convay them also each weight class thread that exsist now should probably be emptyd as to not have a hundred post about old rankings |
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