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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 8, 2011 17:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 8, 2011 22:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Sept 9, 2011 14:40:06 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm voting for paul. But these polls mean nothing. All the Ron Paul supports just bomb all the Internet polls.
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 9, 2011 15:06:16 GMT -5
You're right. The polls themselves don't mean anything. I only post them to show that the man does have support, which is contrary to what the media is reporting. I also agree that Ron Paul tends to have rabid supporters, which is part of what drove me away from him last cycle.
But the real story is that there just aren't any polls showing massive support for Romney, Perry, Bachmann. There aren't any rabid supporters of them at all. It's lukewarm at best.
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 9, 2011 15:56:22 GMT -5
Paul gave an update, I guess it was nothing: Perry is still a douche though. ;D |
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Sept 9, 2011 16:36:54 GMT -5
You are right John, and the media will not recognize that. Fox news took there poll down 2 hours after the debate, because Paul was killing everyone
Another note, if it does end up Romney vs perry. I like Romney by far over that tool perry.
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 9, 2011 19:50:38 GMT -5
Another note, if it does end up Romney vs perry. I like Romney by far over that tool perry. I have to agree, but that's a nose-holder for sure. Man I hope that doesn't happen. |
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 11, 2011 0:43:56 GMT -5
AWESOME SPEECH!!!
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Post by Michael Wells on Sept 11, 2011 9:36:17 GMT -5
AGREED! Made MUCH sense
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Sept 18, 2011 1:08:48 GMT -5
Paul just won the California straw poll by a big margin over perry and Romney. Obviously your not hearing much about it...
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Sept 25, 2011 23:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Kaufman on Sept 26, 2011 11:30:16 GMT -5
I think he's right in saying what is right with Ron Paul, but I personally don't believe that we have to maintain the empire like your friend does. Let's be real, we have an empire, and it's bleeding us dry just like it did the Greeks and Romans before us. It may be nice in theory, but I think the difference between a fallen empire and a sustained one is the knowing when to scale it back when necessary, or in our case a financial must. The reason the Neo-Cons LOVE war so much is because they are nothing more that war profiteers. I bet if the ties weren't hidden, you would see every Neo-Con making butt loads of money off of every little skirmish we have gotten ourselves into in the last century. Just like I tell all my Liberal friends as to why I have "changed" my views during this election, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT! I would love for all healthcare and education to be free for every US citizen, but we can't afford it. There are times to be liberal and the "world police", but you can't do either without the funds. |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Sept 26, 2011 12:14:11 GMT -5
I agree Chris.
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 26, 2011 13:41:09 GMT -5
If only war profiteering were the domain of neocons. GE doesn't just make lightbulbs. GE has the coziest relationship with the White House you can imagine and Jeff Immelt ain't no conservative. Wall Street, contrary to popular belief, is hard Left. The investments in the war machine are primarily from this sector. Probably the single biggest individual war profiteer in history was Lady Bird Johnson, the wife of LBJ, whom the Kennedys believe had JFK assassinated. This isn't conspiracy talk: the Johnsons were butt-deep in military corporate holdings during the VietNam era. That's beyond shameful. While I dislike neocons as much as any real conservative does, blaming all war and profiteering on neocons is a talking point of the DNC and it's intellectually lazy.
Anyhoo,
There are plenty of things I disagree with Ron Paul on. The majority of these are in areas where the President does not have direct command and control. I trust Congress to keep him in check for the most part, just as every President has learned the hard way.
Congress has far more daily influence in your life than any President ever will. I am constantly amazed at how much effort we put into selecting a President, only to basically rubber-stamp the selections of our Senators and Representatives.
I cannot imagine being in total agreement with any President or any candidate. Total agreement with any politician just means you belong to the same cult. That, or you are willing to carry water for someone regardless of what they say or do. That is patently un-American by its very nature. As Americans, our duty is to distrust all politicians and to be ever-mindful of the government encroaching on our individual liberties.
I disagree with some things Herman Cain believes, but I agree with him on the big points. I'd still like to see him on the ticket and I'm happy to see that he did well here in Florida.
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Post by John Wilson on Sept 26, 2011 14:02:11 GMT -5
This is exactly what the Washington insiders do not get: (Every professional politician is so confused when Ron Paul or Herman Cain win straw polls, and not Romney or Perry.) Here's a clue: We hate you all. Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government www.gallup.com/poll/149678/Americans-Express-Historic-Negativity-Toward-Government.aspxKey Findings: 82% of Americans disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job. 69% say they have little or no confidence in the legislative branch of government, an all-time high and up from 63% in 2010. 57% have little or no confidence in the federal government to solve domestic problems, exceeding the previous high of 53% recorded in 2010 and well exceeding the 43% who have little or no confidence in the government to solve international problems. 53% have little or no confidence in the men and women who seek or hold elected office. Americans believe, on average, that the federal government wastes 51 cents of every tax dollar, similar to a year ago, but up significantly from 46 cents a decade ago and from an average 43 cents three decades ago. 49% of Americans believe the federal government has become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. In 2003, less than a third (30%) believed this. |
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